They DO have exactly this type of living street in the Netherlands too, see
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woonerf
But the particular street Peter is talking about is, on purpose, NOT such a
living street.
The street itself is a normal residential street, with sidewalks and raised
kerbs.
In Spain when we have this kind of exit applies the traffic sign and the
rules of living street, as you can see in
https://www.google.nl/maps/@41.2187293,1.7332079,3a,44.9y,155.43h,88.86t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1swoQsNOW-rj_haPcAnawoYw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i40
, a normal street becomes living at
The side street used to be a special living_street exactly like the calle
resedincial but the signs have been removed.
Now it's a regular street, where the 30-Km zone applies. It's just the exit
of the side street onto the bigger street we're talking about. I do think
that part resembles a living a
In Spain this would be a living_street, the sidewalk is at the same level
and the structure of the street does not allow speed faster than 20. Also I
have to say the start of the bigger is street is a 30 Zone .
https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.9637944,4.6107321,3a,40.3y,302.01h,81.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3
You are right, there is no legal source. De traffic regulations just state
that using an exit is a special manoeuvre, which means that you have to let
all other traffic (including pedestrians) go first. In practice this would
mean a near standstill, then when everything is clear accelerate to
"sta
On 2018-06-15 08:28, Peter Elderson wrote:
> Speed is limited to 15 Kmph (living_street rules).
Peter, have you got a source for this 15kph maxspeed (wegenverkeerswet)
for an uitrit that is not a living street? It may be sensible, given the
priority rules and the physical construction, but I don'
depends on the country, for Belgium:
https://wegcode.be/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=183:art22ter&catid=48:kb-01121975&Itemid=48
(maxspeed 30)
On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 10:46 AM Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> There might or might not be a traffic_calming table or bump. Bumps and tables
Same here in Nederland.
2018-06-15 10:43 GMT+02:00 Steve Doerr :
> On 15/06/2018 09:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>> I don’t know how the situation in the Netherlands, but in Germany
>> pedestrians always have precedence over turning cars at junctions, this
>> would be nothing special.
>>
>
>
2018-06-15 8:04 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson :
> This has (legal and practical) implications for speed and right of way:
> traffic coming from an exit construction has to give way to all sides, to
> all traffic including pedestrians, and maxspeed = 15 Kmph.
>
>
you will have to split the crossing hig
There might or might not be a traffic_calming table or bump. Bumps and
tables do not imply maxspeed or precedence.
2018-06-15 10:25 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis :
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 10:09 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would tag a node
> >
> > highway=give_way
> >
> > traffic_c
On 15/06/2018 09:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
I don’t know how the situation in the Netherlands, but in Germany pedestrians
always have precedence over turning cars at junctions, this would be nothing
special.
Even on the road you're turning out of? In the UK, a turning vehicle has
to give
On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 10:09 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would tag a node
>
> highway=give_way
>
> traffic_calming=table
For a traffic calming table, I would expect to see a "up" and a bit
further a "down", I only see up here (coming from the main street). Is
that a problem ?
Right U R. The driveway then exits onto the road. Traffic is supposed to
see and understand that this exit is not a real junction.
Authorities in Nederland have cleverly decided to re-use this to regulate
minor public street exits without any signing and fuss, and gave it a legal
status. They call
On 2018-06-15 09:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 15. Jun 2018, at 08:28, Peter Elderson wrote:
>>
>> The street is residential, but the exit is over a sidewalk, with a dropped
>> curb. That's the piece I'm talking about: not the street, just the exit.
>>
>> Rules (l
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> On 15. Jun 2018, at 09:49, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>
> pedestrians can cross and have precedence
I don’t know how the situation in the Netherlands, but in Germany pedestrians
always have precedence over turning cars at junctions, this would be nothing
special.
Cheers,
M
I would tag a node
highway=give_way
traffic_calming=table
Perhaps a separate node for traffic_calming=table if you want to go to that
detail.
This avoids drop or raised curbs and if they are understood for crossing a side
street ..
I'd think curbs would usually follow the corners so that m
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> On 15. Jun 2018, at 08:32, Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> Driveway is to and from a private property, I think?
driveway is _on_ a private property
cheers,
Martin
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> On 15. Jun 2018, at 08:28, Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> The street is residential, but the exit is over a sidewalk, with a dropped
> curb. That's the piece I'm talking about: not the street, just the exit.
>
> Rules (legally) implied are that traffic can pass over this sidew
If I understand this correctly, this is a T-junction, where
1. the main road traffic has precedence (equivalent of highway=give_way
plus direction=forward|backward on the joining road)
2. pedestrians can cross and have precedence (highway=crossing plus
crossing=unmarked)
3. some kin
it look like a pedistrian crossing and a traffic calming
highway=crossing + crossing=unmarked
traffic_calming=table
if the standard maxspeed for a traffic_calming is not the same
as for a "street exit", the easy think todo is to create a new
traffic_calming value like traffic_calming=street_exit
>
> We're looking for a simple way to indicate what's there without tagging all
> the details and implications separately.
as I wrote before (but simplified)
highway=crossing
crossing="whatever name you want to give to this construction"
for car drivers it's a crossing with a "construction" whe
Speed limit is only implied for the part crossing the sidewalk. The street
behind it can have different speed limits, usually it is part of a "30 Kmph
zone", but that is not implied or necessary.
The level of detail: sidewalks and kerbs are not usually mapped. It's not
realistic to start doing tha
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