Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread marc marc
Le 07.10.19 à 23:07, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > let’s bury the contact: - prefix in this case, be logical and also propose to bury the prefix addr: on the contrary, I believe that having a namespace to group the keys concerning the addr and another namespace to group the keys concerning th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-08 Thread Vɑdɪm
Considering the responses it may be better to give a more definite criteria for using this tag. In this regard the definition of leisure=sunbathing as *any* popular place suitable for sunbathing looks rather vague. It could be more easily also used as a trolltag. So, how is about using leisure=su

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: “if you want to display a tab with all the means of contact, you just have to look for contact:” That doesn’t work, because “phone=“ is much more popular and probably always will be, and the “contact:” prefix is not used terrible consistently (is a website actually a way to contact a feature?

[Tagging] Small list of exceptions? | Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Rory McCann
On 08/10/2019 12:14, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Re: “if you want to display a tab with all the means of contact, you just have to look for contact:” That doesn’t work, because “phone=“ is much more popular and probably always will be, and  the “contact:” prefix is not used terrible consistently

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Valor Naram
A short summary of what we have so far:- Deprecation of `contact:phone` has some advantages: Key `phone` is used far more often, Key `phone` is shorter to write and better to find in word completion functions of editors like iD, Data users don't have to support two methods of tagging phone numbers.

[Tagging] Pedestrian and highway crossings of tramways

2019-10-08 Thread Vɑdɪm
One could find two different schemes are used for this across the OSM: #1. The most popular way is to tag the nodes with railway=crossing (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dcrossing). There are currently *35151* nodes like this around the world https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/MVO. It

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 22:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: not to speak about addr:housenumber and addr:housename (the latter is > mostly useless > In some areas of the UK I've lived, all houses have numbers and a few also have names (which are viewed by many as an affectation). In rural districts

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Colin Smale via Tagging
On 2019-10-08 13:25, Valor Naram wrote: > A short summary of what we have so far: > - Deprecation of `contact:phone` has some advantages: Key `phone` is used far > more often, Key `phone` is shorter to write and better to find in word > completion functions of editors like iD, Data users don't h

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
8 Oct 2019, 11:25 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > Le 07.10.19 à 23:07, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > >> let’s bury the contact: - prefix >> > > in this case, be logical and also propose to bury the prefix addr: > Main difference is that contact: prefix has an alternative that is and always wa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Markus
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019, 11:29 marc marc, wrote: > Le 07.10.19 à 23:07, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > let’s bury the contact: - prefix > > in this case, be logical and also propose to bury the prefix addr: > There's a difference between the two prefixes: several addr: tags together form a complet

Re: [Tagging] Pedestrian and highway crossings of tramways

2019-10-08 Thread Markus
Hi Vɑdɪm I don't know the situation in other countries, but in Switzerland, pedestrian train crossing are signalised (example [1]), while pedestrian tram crossings usually aren't (example [2]), even if the tram runs on a reserved track (i.e. separated form the road). Thus i think it may make sense

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Oct 2019, at 15:14, Paul Allen wrote: > > Housename may be useless where you live but for some of us it is essential. yes , of course, sorry for stepping on your toes, I was being sarcastic to better make the point, but I am aware that there is some use for this (e

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Oct 2019, at 15:40, Colin Smale via Tagging > wrote: > > In that case it makes perfect sense to consolidate onto one or the other. But > if there are any perceived semantic differences, however subtle, then either > we find some way to represent that using other ta

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Valor Naram
`contact:phone` and `phone` are exactly for the same purpose, no differences just different names.See https://wiki.osm.org/Key:contact~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)From: Martin Koppenhoefer To: "Tag discuss

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Colin Smale via Tagging
On 2019-10-08 21:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > On 8. Oct 2019, at 15:40, Colin Smale via Tagging > wrote: > >> In that case it makes perfect sense to consolidate onto one or the other. >> But if there are any perceived semantic differences, however subtle, then >> either we find some way

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 20:49, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > yes , of course, sorry for stepping on your toes, I was being sarcastic to > better make the point, but I am aware that there is some use for this (even > around here it may occur that a house has a name but not a number). > Not normall

[Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-08 Thread Rory McCann
Hi there fellow OSMers, What's the best way to tag an Irish pub? Not just a pub in Ireland, but a specifically themed "Irish Pub" (which are usually outside Ireland)? There's ~300 instances of `cuisine=irish`, which would make total sense for places which (also) serve food. Traditionally pubs in

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-08 Thread Jmapb
On 10/8/2019 4:37 PM, Rory McCann wrote: What's the best way to tag an Irish pub? Not just a pub in Ireland, but a specifically themed "Irish Pub" (which are usually outside Ireland)? There's ~300 instances of `cuisine=irish`, which would make total sense for places which (also) serve food. Trad

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 08:06, Jmapb wrote: > On 10/8/2019 4:37 PM, Rory McCann wrote: > > What's the best way to tag an Irish pub? Not just a pub in Ireland, but > a specifically themed "Irish Pub" (which are usually outside Ireland)? > > I think the idea of `theme=irish` makes some sense, and in

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-08 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 10/8/2019 6:20 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: I was wondering about the same thing, because you've then also got Country & Western, German, any & all varieties of Gay ... ? Bit of an awkward one, but there are pub's in Northern & Inland Australia that white people are NOT welcome in (& I'm a

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-08 Thread Warin
On 09/10/19 09:45, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: On 10/8/2019 6:20 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: I was wondering about the same thing, because you've then also got Country & Western, German, any & all varieties of Gay ... ? Bit of an awkward one, but there are pub's in Northern & Inland Austra

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Oct 2019, at 22:08, Colin Smale wrote: > > So the subtlety you are referring to, is that some phone numbers routinely > connect to a recording instead of a human. > > How about phone:recorded_message=* which would leave room for phone=* for a > manned line, or rec

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-08 Thread Warin
On 08/10/19 20:27, Vɑdɪm wrote: Considering the responses it may be better to give a more definite criteria for using this tag. In this regard the definition of leisure=sunbathing as *any* popular place suitable for sunbathing looks rather vague. It could be more easily also used as a trolltag.

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone On 9. Oct 2019, at 01:02, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Other common themes are Polynesian (tiki bar), speakeasy, surfing, >> medical... plenty more out there I imagine. There's one bar in NYC that's >> themed around smashing appliances with bats. > theme=* could w

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Warin
On 07/10/19 21:00, Valor Naram wrote: > One problem with enforcing a single tag by mappers or preprocessing > data before putting it in the database is that if there are subtle distinctions they are > forever lost. Sven gave us a list of tags which have exact meaning. So no distinctions. No d

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-08 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 00:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > the way we are dealing with these distinctions of eating and drinking > places is mostly main tags, and subtags only for subtleties. A tiki bar > could get amenity=bar, or maybe I’m misguided (I’m not familiar with the > kind of place)?

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 08:46, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > On 10/8/2019 6:20 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Bit of an awkward one, but there are pub's in Northern & Inland Australia > that white people are NOT welcome in (& I'm absolutely certain that the > same thing, & reverse, applies in many

Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal: 'add=milestone'

2019-10-08 Thread Jorge Aguirre
After reading all the responses and comments made regarding this issue I would like to modify the originally proposed tag name ('addr=milestone’) to a new proposal to name it: ‘addr=road_marker’ - which works for both the kilometer and mile highway location markers. The next step will be to pr

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-08 Thread Warin
On 09/10/19 12:11, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 08:46, Jmapb via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: On 10/8/2019 6:20 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Bit of an awkward one, but there are pub's in Northern & Inland Australia that white people are

Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal: 'add=milestone'

2019-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Oct 2019, at 03:24, Jorge Aguirre wrote: > > After reading all the responses and comments made regarding this issue I > would like to modify the originally proposed tag name ('addr=milestone’) to a > new proposal to name it: ‘addr=road_marker’ - which works for bot