Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Jonathon Rossi
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:49 PM Andrew Harvey wrote: > [...] > > bicycle= as an access tag should refer to any class of bicycles by > default. Today I was walking a track which had a no bicycles sign, meaning > all types of bikes are disallowed. Conversely bicycle=yes just means that > bicycles

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

2020-04-05 Thread Kevin Kenny
Does the current version look any better? Obviously, once we're seriously stitching things into the Wiki, we'll need to make individual pages with titles like 'Key:protection_class=recreation', but of course it's easier to have it all in one place for now. On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 7:24 PM Joseph

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

2020-04-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The only thing that the proposal page still needs is a couple more detailed definitions for some of the tags. The ones based on IUCN levels already have a fairly good description. But protection_class=recreation should be clarified - what exactly is protected here, and what sort of recreation

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

2020-04-05 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, +1 with Joseph, proposed values are more usable than digits. Le dim. 5 avr. 2020 à 20:02, Kevin Kenny a écrit : > I'm a little intimidated by the process, particularly the > administration of the vote (Who's a qualified elector? Who can serve > as scrutineer?) and the need to stitch the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 20:17, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 05/04/2020 16:36, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Can someone confirm if "urgent_care" makes sense in British English, > > rather than "walk-in" or something else? > > > I'm English, and I would not know what "urgent_care" meant. After > reading

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-05 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-04-05 21:16, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 05/04/2020 16:36, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:Can someone confirm if > "urgent_care" makes sense in British English, > rather than "walk-in" or something else? > > I'm English, and I would not know what "urgent_care" meant. After reading the > wiki

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/04/2020 16:36, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Can someone confirm if "urgent_care" makes sense in British English, rather than "walk-in" or something else? I'm English, and I would not know what "urgent_care" meant. After reading the wiki page, it is unclear whether refers to designated

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Volker Schmidt
It sounds as we have not yet made clear the difference between MTB routes and MTB leisure tracks. The former are routes that are suitable for mountain bikers, but they are on ways shared with other users, whereas the latter are for the exclusive use with MTBs - no other user is admitted. That is a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

2020-04-05 Thread Kevin Kenny
I suppose, now. It seems to be gaining some traction, at long last. When I floated it, it was not nearly as popular, largely because of the way it tied into the flood of words exchanged between Adamant(some digits) and stevea in various media. The discussion at the time shed more heat than light.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-05 Thread Michael Patrick
> Can someone confirm if "urgent_care" makes sense in British English, > rather than "walk-in" or something else? > It isn't like there isn't already a categorization scheme, harmonized globally, with translations available in most languages ( not only English ). Or, alternatively, spend the next

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Adam Franco
> > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 3:49 AM Andrew Harvey > wrote: > ... > Although that feels most logical to me, since the sentiment here is > strongly against this view about highway=cycleway including mountain bike > tracks, I'm proposing instead: > > Designed/mostly used for city cycling (excluding

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Unifying playground equipment tagging)

2020-04-05 Thread Sven Geggus
Sören Reinecke via Tagging wrote: > Proposal: > I propose the key playground to be deprecated and the use of key > playground:* instead. That would mean that on both playground and > playground equipment objects in OSM the key playground:* applies. This > then would also allow to map playgrounds

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-05 Thread Ty S
Thank you. First, I already changed from “pharmacy.” Second, no other tags that I know of would be affected, but I don’t think that’s a big deal. Some keys only affect one tag. Third, I did some research, and it seems based on webpages that British English speakers also call it urgent care.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This still needs a clearer definition. Please define what is and what is not "walk-in service" How would a pharmacy have "urgent care", if it is not also a doctor's surgery (office)? Please clarify what features can be tagged with this - I gather it is for amenity=clinic and amenity=doctors and

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-05 Thread Ty Stockman
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Urgent_care The urgent care tag is used at, for example, clinics, that offer walk-in service ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Yves
Yes, but it need at least an attempt to reach to a few big contributors of this tag to discuss it. As often with specialized tags, this list may lacks some experts. Actually I found one reference of mtb=* as an access tag here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle_tags_map So maybe it

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Andrew Harvey
Yep that's all complementary to what's being discussed and proposed here. On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 20:04, Volker Schmidt wrote: > We need also to look at this wiki page: > Mountain biking > ___

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Florimond Berthoux
mtb:scale=yes is like surface=yes it has no real meaning, mtb:scale is a scale from 0 flat surface to 6 obstacle taller than a human. Actually I think mtb:scale is easier to use than smoothness : it's a more objective tag. (Sometime I think stating smoothness with average size of gravel/obstacle

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Volker Schmidt
We need also to look at this wiki page: Mountain biking <#m_2511257917808460956_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-04-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Are there any more comments about the proposal for amenity=motorcycle_taxi? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dmotorcycle_taxi As expected, there were a few critical remarks about the use of "amenity=" - however, this is the key used for "amenity=taxi", a

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Andrew Harvey
I agree with Martin here, if tags are used but not documented on the wiki, discussion on the mailing lists or through a proposal process, how would such tags hold any meaning? Different editors probably add it to mean different things. We can't really make any assumptions about what they mean,

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 5. Apr. 2020 um 11:03 Uhr schrieb Yves : > As a side note: I would be worried to redefine the mtb=yes/no tag that is > not documented but widely used. > how can it be "redefined" if there isn't documentation about it? Cheers Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Yves
As a side note: I would be worried to redefine the mtb=yes/no tag that is not documented but widely used. I do agree that makes sense to define it as an access tag, though. Yves Le 5 avril 2020 09:48:07 GMT+02:00, Andrew Harvey a écrit : >Thanks for everyone's good feedback and discussion. I

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Andrew Harvey
Thanks for everyone's good feedback and discussion. I feel we are getting closer to a conclusion. Before this discussion my view on how it should work was: Designed/mostly used for vehicles, forestry, agriculture, bush fire trucks (known as fire trails in Australia) -> highway=track