On 13/06/2012 14:36, David Earl wrote:
http://www.frankieandshadow.com/xref/byway.jpg
BTW, this means I can use this road at all times as a cyclist, even when
the barrier is locked shut, whatever the other restrictions on motor
vehicles are
On 26/06/2012 11:43, Martin Vonwald wrote:
Lately I was mapping features along motorways, including speed limits.
Some of them are displayed on electronic signs, but usually only
change in case of traffic jams... All of them showed 100. And under
normal circumstances they will always show 100.
On 26/06/2012 12:39, David Earl wrote:
On 26/06/2012 11:43, Martin Vonwald wrote:
Lately I was mapping features along motorways, including speed limits.
Some of them are displayed on electronic signs, but usually only
change in case of traffic jams... All of them showed 100. And under
normal
I am a newcomer to OSM but as a newcomer I do not see the so called "lack
of concensus" as any kind of issue. People call things by different names
and whereas it is of benefit to have concensus on the framework items I can
see no issue regarding the use of locally accepted tags for items in
gener
On 18/09/2013 15:36, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:56 PM, David Earl wrote:
The problem is that it is almost impossible to write, and more importantly,
keep up-to-date a data consumer (like a specialized map of shops, in the
examples people have been
This illustrates, to me, that an attempt to add an ontology on top of
the tagging is likely to be vulnerable to the problems it aims to
solve.
Any such thing would want to express relationships, so that e.g.
renderers which have never seen the tag before can say "aha, they say
that I could ren
On 19/09/2013 14:45, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
IMHO the great invention of OSM is that it isn't based on an ontology but
on free tagging. The world is too complex (and dynamic) to be entirely
described by an ontology. It seems appealing to try though, I admit, but it
will always re
This is no way to treat consumers of map data. If you make major changes
like this, anyone using the map has to scramble to change their rendering
code. If there's no semblance of upward compatibility, people will lose
interest in OSM because it is just too hard to maintain, and if there is
any kin
On Mon, 18 May 2015 at 00:40 pmailkeey . wrote:
> Unfortunately change is inevitable and it happens to Microsoft and Google
> customers.
>
Yes, of course. But they go to considerable lengths to provide upward
compatibility, and when they can't, they provide a migration path and
controlled change
I can see the attraction of this, but I do always worry about gross lack of
backward compatibility being a huge barrier to adoption. If you have to
scramble to keep up with changes like this whenever they happen, you aren't
going to be keen to be a consumer of OSM data when it's only peripheral to
n to be similar and are split up purely for convenience of managing
other things like bus routes or bridges which run along part of the real
object.
David
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 12:37 David Earl wrote:
> I can see the attraction of this, but I do always worry about gross lack
> of backward
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 14:01 Richard Welty wrote:
> it's an inevitable consequence of serializing a complex data structure.
> we either find ways to deal with it or else we accept limits on what
> we can accomplish.
>
Or we change the way we do it.
For example, emitting the relations first woul
Because it is likely to be useful to my local authority in a real world
project, I am considering adding some tags to schools to classify them,
something like this:
operator=Somewhereshire County Council
school:level=early|first|nursery|infant|junior|primary|prep|secondary|tertiary|special|refer
On 18/10/2009 12:01, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/10/18 Mike N. :
>>> From there if an API could be created for editors we could do things
>>> like mousing over a tag in JOSM/potlatch then throws up a page of text
>>> describing the tag.
>>>
>>> Any tags the are entered that aren't in the database coul
On 18/10/2009 14:53, Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:32 AM, David Earl
> wrote:
>> On 18/10/2009 12:01, John Smith wrote:
>>> That's a good point, having some kind of API for tags would make it
>>> possible to have translations with very little
On 18/10/2009 15:59, Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:08 AM, David Earl
> wrote:
>> Which is why I am seeing if we can find a middle way: one that makes
>> tags more accessible and manageable in automated fashion, but doesn't
>> limit people's
On 18/10/2009 17:30, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> What we need is - this list where all people who cares about tagging
> (and it already shows that most tagging decissions will be made in
> this part of community) and some kind of wiki book 'OSM Mapping for
> dummies' where could be collected know-ho
On 18/12/2009 13:48, Greg Troxel wrote:
> I would use "greenway" to describe a large linear park that might
> contain a bike path and footpaths, as in
>
> http://www.rosekennedygreenway.org/
Or perhaps the rather amazing High Line
http://www.thehighline.org/about/park-information
an old elevate
On 21/12/2009 15:39, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> are you aware of JOSM-Presets and autocompletion? If you work in JOSM
> and use the presets, the street, city and country-tags will be
> autocompleted.
Furthermore if you use JOSM's addressing plugin, you don't have to type
the street name at all
On 19/01/2010 15:06, Andre Engels wrote:
> - a cafe by day, a pub
> in the early evening, a bar in the later evening. Should I tag them
> with all three? And if so, when seeing a cafe during the day, do I
> need to come back in the evening to listen how loud the music is?
I think you should tag it
On 19/01/2010 15:34, Emilie Laffray wrote:
>
>
> 2010/1/19 David Earl <mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com>>
>
> In the case of Dutch cafe though, the word has been usurped for a
> purpose other than its original French meaning (which is pretty much
> un
On 19/01/2010 15:55, Emilie Laffray wrote:
> But it shows that it is difficult to find a proper
> definition for something like this. The meaning can be quite different.
Perhaps, but I think the way to solve it is (1) to take what the signs
say it is and (2) translate that into English for the ta
On 19/01/2010 17:23, Randy wrote:
> In the US, I try to avoid using the word "cafe" altogether. There are many
> establishments that call themselves cafes that are in fact restaurants.
> Many don't serve anything alcoholic. The term tends more to indicate
> casualness than anything else, it seems.
On 19/01/2010 17:42, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> beverages
interestingly, not a word you would often find used in British English.
Generally "drinks" often means alcoholic beverages, though sometimes any
depending on context, with "soft drinks" and "hot drinks".
> pub
I'd have thought this is a
I still think the most important criterion is what the owner of the
establishment says it is, not on the subjective judgement of the surveyor.
David
On 20/01/2010 12:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2010/1/20 Peter Childs mailto:pchi...@bcs.org>>
>
>
> In my book its easy.
>
> Cafe - Pla
On 26/07/2010 10:58, Richard Mann wrote:
One of the things Dave Earl mentioned in his talk about rendering was
the gaps-in-casings you sometimes get at bridges.
What I've ended up doing is
1) rendering casings in layer (not underneath everything like Mapnik)
That's what I did also in my render
On 26/07/2010 11:37, Pieren wrote:
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Richard Mann
mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
Good idea, or just a local fix?
Richard
Personnally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a
specific polygon for the bridge and l
On 27/07/2010 10:21, John Smith wrote:
Why do taggers have to compensate for poorly written programs making
use of the data?
Why does the data model have to make it so difficult for data consumers
in the first place?
You cannot tell from our data model whether a bridge supports two ways
or
On 27/07/2010 11:51, John Smith wrote:
On 27 July 2010 20:27, David Earl wrote:
Why does the data model have to make it so difficult for data consumers in
the first place?
So this is another case of the current API limiting things?
I'd love to be able to micromap lanes, not just ways,
On 27/07/2010 12:05, David Earl wrote:
... You don't need anyone's permission to do this. If you do a good job and
promote it, it might catch on...
which is one of the key reasons why I think Tag Central [1] would help us.
David
[1] http://www.frankieandshadow.
On 27/07/2010 12:30, John Smith wrote:
On 27 July 2010 21:27, David Earl wrote:
On 27/07/2010 12:05, David Earl wrote:
... You don't need anyone's permission to do this. If you do a good job
and
promote it, it might catch on...
which is one of the key reasons why I think Tag
On 27/07/2010 13:51, John Smith wrote:
On 27 July 2010 22:33, John F. Eldredge wrote:
Using the same tag for both could cost lives, by making delays in
finding the necessary equipment (fire hydrant or fire extinguisher)
to fight the fire in question.
While it may be useful to tag these things
On 27/07/2010 15:58, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:27 AM, David Earl wrote:
You cannot tell from our model, without additional information such as a
relation, whether two parallel ways are part of a dual carriageway or just
parallel roads.
What's the difference? Just wheth
On 28/07/2010 15:09, S.Higashi wrote:
I'm confused because I was thinking that tags on Map_Features page
were all approved tags..
There is no such thing as an "approved" tag.
David
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On 28/07/2010 16:19, Mike N. wrote:
I've never understood the process either.
There is no process. Anyone can use whatever tags they like, and choose
to document them or not as they wish.
Some people like to think that there is a voting procedure, but that has
no formal status and so few pe
On 30/07/2010 17:14, Ian Dees wrote:
The OSM ecosystem has always strongly favored ease of mapping (as
opposed to ease of data consumption), but now that more data consumers
are attempting to use our data maybe it's time to start thinking about
how we can firm things up a little bit to give the d
On 22/08/2010 14:24, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Pieren wrote:
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II
wrote:
Since there's been no response, I've begun using cycleway=unmarked_lane.
What do you mean by "unmarket" ? if they have spaces striped, is tha
On 23/08/2010 10:54, Liz wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
I'm tagging my hometown and saw that Map features doesn't have any tag
to mark open air stages. I know lot of open air stages are one time
effort (for example, festivals), but there are lot of permanent ones
(made of s
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't know of any other feature where the direction of the way means
something *without* another tag being added. I've traced a number of
waterways from aerials and never had any idea I was suppose
The Cambridgeshire busway is tagged highway=bus_guideway (actuaklly it
is currently tagged highway=construction, construction=bus_guideway
because it is delayed).
We had a long discussion about this at the time.
This busway is somewhat different from what's been described below
because it is
http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/transport/thebusway/howitworks/
On 15/11/2010 17:16, Richard Mann wrote:
I know nothing about busways (other than that they're a ridiculous
waste of money, but that's another story!)
RIchard
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 5:14 PM, David Earl w
On 15/11/2010 20:25, ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I think that the psv is wrong as no taxi can use the O-Bahn - it is
equipped with devices to destroy your motor vehicle if you attempt it
Yes, likewise the Cambridgeshire one. They're signed as "car trap",
basically the same idea as the Dutch(?) ca
Sam,
Did you see my talk at SOTM10
(annotated slides:
http://www.frankieandshadow.com/sotm10/tagcentral.pdf )
(video: http://vimeo.com/14776099 )
There's obviously a lot in common here, and there may be some ideas in
what I said that you might want to consider.
David
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On Friday, 9 September 2011, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 04:14 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>
>> 2011/9/9 Graham Stewart (GrahamS):
>>>
>>> David Earl wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The reason I needed such a tag was to avoid one way a
I can't immediately see reference to structures like I have ringed here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Wheelchair_lift.jpg
It is a small platform to lift a wheelchair, usually as an alternative
to nearby steps. Though you get them in buildings, which would usually
be outside the scop
Any existing examples of tagging an exterior spiral staircase?
Also, if its role is as a fire escape?
David
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On 23/09/2011 21:01, David Earl wrote:
I can't immediately see reference to structures like I have ringed here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Wheelchair_lift.jpg
It is a small platform to lift a wheelchair, usually as an alternative
to nearby steps. Though you get them in buil
On 23/09/2011 21:44, David Earl wrote:
Any existing examples of tagging an exterior spiral staircase?
No one got excited by this, so I used
highway=spiral_staircase
on a node (though in principle it could have a circular area for its
footprint I suppose, but in general they aren't more
Any suggestions as to how to represent some steps...
These steps aren't that unusual I guess, but they aren't a staircase.
They form the edges of a piazza-like platform, running most of the way
around it. There are only 4 steps, but they are several of them, up to
about 40m wide: http://twitpi
On 07/10/2011 18:13, Peter Wendorff wrote:
I'm not sure, but perhaps the area:highway-proposal [1] is useful here.
There are already numerous highway areas for things like market places
and piazzas, but it's done as highway=x;area=yes, not with its own key.
These are properly rendered on Mapn
On Monday, 10 October 2011, Peter Wendorff
wrote:
> Hi.
> I think, the last argument Martin has in his reply is the most important
one:
> Tagging the width of steps is simple - and useful independant of other
proposals for mapping steps, if it's equal in general from top to bottom.
>
> But one usu
http://www.cyclestreets.net/location/34139/
Could anyone point me at existing examples of these motorised car access
barriers (operated by waving a card at it) and/or suggest what the tag
for it should be. I've found a site that sells them:
http://www.newgate.uk.com/pages/products/blockers_ker
I have been using highway=access_ramp extensively recently (and including
incline=up as per steps) following a similar question a couple of months
ago.
David
On Wednesday, November 30, 2011, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a specific tag for a wheelchair ramp that is not part of a
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Access_Ramp
On Wednesday, November 30, 2011, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Thanks. Is that documented already?
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:41 PM, David Earl
wrote:
>> I have been using highway=access_ramp extensively recently
On 02/12/2011 04:31, Josh Doe wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
2011/12/1 Martijn van Exel:
Is there a specific tag for a wheelchair ramp that is not part of a
steps feature?
I agree with Martin and others, it is a separate feature, but I do
think that it's a
On 25/01/2012 11:12, Gerhard Hermanns wrote:
I'd like to do some mapping on the university of Duisburg-Essen.
I've been using
operator=University of Cambridge
on areas marked
amenity=university
for my university mapping project, rather than trying to do anything
with relations. This makes
On Sunday, April 15, 2012, Alan Mintz wrote:
> At 2012-04-14 22:10, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>
>> In the U.S., a gated residential community usually allows anyone in who
>> has a legitimate reason to be there (e.g. visiting a friend, delivering a
>> package, repairing a TV). It seems that this fits
If I have an address for the form
N Somewhere Street
Foo
Bar
Code
so that
addr:housnumber=N
addr:street=Somewhere Street
addr:city=Bar
addr:postcode=Code
where does Foo go, when Foo is a village or a suburb that is used as
part of the address. I see we have addr:hamlet, but we d
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