Re: [Tagging] Vertical farming

2017-03-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
Can you show us a photo of the typical building? If it was a warehouse turned into a farm, then building=warehouse. If it is a building specifically made for vertical farming, then building=vertical_farm. Janko On Sat, 18 Mar 2017, 03:07 Dave Swarthout, wrote:

Re: [Tagging] address property of features

2017-03-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
I agree. Duplicating addresses on features is not a problem, but a feature. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Is there a way to make tags better?

2017-03-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
se objects with the OSMdata ID. And countless other examples... [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] memorial:type and memorial

2017-01-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
There was a similar topic about memorials and artworks a while ago, and I mentioned my idea of a tag like sculpture_shape. It would have values like bust, person_standing, person_sitting, person_on_horse, abstract and so on. Then there's already a well established tag subject:wikidata=Qxxx. With

Re: [Tagging] Proper way to tag highways located in "dangerous" areas

2016-11-20 Thread Janko Mihelić
;ba...@ursamundi.org> napisao je: On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Janko Mihelić <jan...@gmail.com> wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, 20:44 Paul Johnson, <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: Don't. Too subjective, and tends to highlight some kinds of bigotry while basically giving a pass to

Re: [Tagging] Proper way to tag highways located in "dangerous" areas

2016-11-17 Thread Janko Mihelić
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, 20:44 Paul Johnson, wrote: > > Don't. Too subjective, and tends to highlight some kinds of bigotry while > basically giving a pass to other kinds. > How is it subjective if you take data from the local police? >

Re: [Tagging] Proper way to tag highways located in "dangerous" areas

2016-11-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think if a tag is used for this, it should be clear what the source is. For example, if you have police info about which streets are dangerous, then put a tag like: hazard:source:policeStationXY=crime. If you have a NGO that tracks this, put hazard:source:NGOXY=crime. That way you could have

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
Here is an example of a not-a-roundabout without lights: https://goo.gl/maps/TVuMRZs59Kk It even has a roundabout sign, but the right of way is clear through signs on the ground. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2016-11-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
I look at service highways as most general highways. All highways are service highways, but residential highways are a special type, motorways are another special type and so on. So anything that is a highway but is none of these special types, then it's a service. Janko

Re: [Tagging] health_facility:type vs. health_facility_type

2016-09-29 Thread Janko Mihelić
She did it manually, it's described in the next diary entry: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jinalfoflia/diary/37655 I see now that group messaging is a planned feature, so all we have is manual for now. Janko On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 13:04 Janko Mihelić, <jan...@gmail.com> wrote: &

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Piste:type=connection

2016-09-29 Thread Janko Mihelić
I agree ski tagging needs something like this. I have some questions/suggestions: 1. Who is to be routed through these connections? Only downhill skiers, or nordic skiers, sleigh riders, snowmobiles also? I think we could route all snow transport over it. 2. Are they implicitly oneway? They are

Re: [Tagging] health_facility:type vs. health_facility_type

2016-09-29 Thread Janko Mihelić
> On 2016-09-28 13:56, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > Maybe send an automatic message to those 66 users to see if they agree > with the edit, and if most agree, change them all > > Good idea... I don't know how to send a message to such a group of users -

Re: [Tagging] health_facility:type vs. health_facility_type

2016-09-28 Thread Janko Mihelić
Maybe send an automatic message to those 66 users to see if they agree with the edit, and if most agree, change them all. Janko On Tue, 27 Sep 2016, 19:46 Jean-Marc Liotier, wrote: > health_facility:type : 7752 occurrences, mentioned in the Healthcare 2.0 > proposal,

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-21 Thread Janko Mihelić
sri, 21. ruj 2016. 02:59 Martin Koppenhoefer je napisao: > > You can (also additionally) add a memorial:type=cenotaph. > Memorial:type is a bad tag. Look at the values: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/memorial%3Atype#values There's obelisk, and then there is

[Tagging] Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-19 Thread Janko Mihelić
There's a lot of memorials that commemorate battles, mass killings, an idea, or some other notable thing. Sometimes it's a plaque or a statue, but sometimes it's a huge site. Examples are: Battle of Mohács memorial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mohacs_Monument_at_the_Battlefield_2004.JPG

Re: [Tagging] Playgrounds/Play zones in forests

2016-09-10 Thread Janko Mihelić
Maybe just add playground_type=forest_playground, nature_playground or something like that. Janko Dana 10. ruj 2016. 16:43 osoba "Marc Gemis" napisala je: > I encounter more and more playground ("play zones") in forests. These > are areas were children can use the natural

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

2016-09-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
I would add in the wiki that if the tag cave:name=* is absent, name=* can be considered to be the name of the cave and the entrance. That way we are consistent with the way the name tag was used until now. Janko sri, 7. ruj 2016. u 12:25 Martin Koppenhoefer napisao je:

Re: [Tagging] cave_entrance. ref and name

2016-09-06 Thread Janko Mihelić
What about renderers? Should they render name or cave:name? If a small cave has only one entrance, is it right to name that entrance by the name of the cave? It's probably going to be used that way. We should tell Nominatim to start indexing cave:name tags. Janko uto, 6. ruj 2016. u 09:47

Re: [Tagging] artificial cave, historic military shelter

2016-09-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
I'm not sure. Natural=cave is for natural caves, but the wiki on the cave page says that man made caves are historic=mine: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cave#Man_Made Historic=mine wiki talks only about mineral mines. Shelter_type=rock_shelter is also a natural rock formation, not deep

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Artwork problems

2016-09-01 Thread Janko Mihelić
pet, 2. ruj 2016. u 00:36 Daniel Koć napisao je: > There are 3 equivalents of a common case (memorial in the form of > statue): > - historic=memorial + memorial:type=statue > - historic=memorial + memorial=statue > - historic=memorial + tourism=artwork + artwork_type=statue > >

Re: [Tagging] Non formal education

2016-07-06 Thread Janko Mihelić
Whoops, wrong link to a Google search: https://www.google.hr/?client=firefox-b-ab#q=site:https:%2F%2Flists.openstreetmap.org%2Fpipermail%2Ftagging%2F+amenity%3Ddriving_school sri, 6. srp 2016. u 10:49 Janko Mihelić <jan...@gmail.com> napisao je: > If you want to see other discussion

Re: [Tagging] Non formal education

2016-07-06 Thread Janko Mihelić
If you want to see other discussions, here's a link to all discussions about the tag amenity=driving_school site:https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/ amenity=driving_school There are two different camps, one for "duck tagging"[1] and one for structured tagging that you are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - access:electric = * - Access key for vehicles powered by an electric motor

2016-06-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
ned, 26. lip 2016. u 21:07 Martin Koppenhoefer napisao je: > It would be interesting to know how this competes with other access keys. > Example: there are tags highway=tertiary, > hgv=no, bicycle=no, access:electrical=yes on a road, would I have access > with an electric

Re: [Tagging] tagging seasonal sports

2016-04-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
Either draw two ways and tag them, or use the way as a soccer field , and as a multipolygon relation for the cricket field. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] importance=* tag (for transportation etc)

2016-03-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
Elements with only one or two wikipedia articles should probably ignore their "wikipedia weight". There is always some group of enthusiasts that will make articles about anything. But only in their own language and maybe one more. My croatian wikipedia has articles about hundreds of grass hockey

Re: [Tagging] importance=* tag (for transportation etc)

2016-03-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
pon, 21. ožu 2016. u 23:28 Daniel Koć napisao je: > > Almost 5 months of discussing and hand tweaking the algorithm tells me > just having the hard (numerical) data might be not as easy as you depict > it. Raw population data is far from having world-range city ranking we >

Re: [Tagging] importance=* tag (for transportation etc)

2016-03-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
pon, 21. ožu 2016. u 23:38 johnw napisao je: > > this might be a good solution for ordering the mountains at a national or > international level. > > but It doesn’t work very well (probably at all) for provincial level, > unless all mountains except for the ones on the wikidata

Re: [Tagging] importance=* tag (for transportation etc)

2016-03-21 Thread Janko Mihelić
ned, 20. ožu 2016. 04:55 John Willis je napisao: > > This entire subject about mountains is the most infuriating topic I have > ever dealt with as an OSM mapper. > You actually already have all the data you need, and it's on Wikidata. Just look at the number of articles about

Re: [Tagging] AirBnB

2016-03-20 Thread Janko Mihelić
The best thing you can do is map the exact address of the place, and the front door. Then if someone wants to find where it is, they call the owner and ask for the address. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] landuse=farmland and highway=track

2016-01-11 Thread Janko Mihelić
pon, 11. sij 2016. 15:08 Martin Koppenhoefer je napisao: > > > still it is not so untypical, you can find a lot of similar situations all > over the globe, some years ago it was even worse (what at least lets me > hope that some very patient people will fix these sooner

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

2015-11-25 Thread Janko Mihelić
Please use "species:wikidata=Q140957". The wikidata=* tag should be used only when the thing you are tagging is exactly, not more or less, the thing described in the wiki article. So for example, you can tag the tree Árbol del Tule [1] with wikidata=Q252182 [2] and species:wikidata=Q1429751 [3]

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate amenity=youth_centre in favour of sub-tag community_centre=* or community_centre:for=*

2015-09-21 Thread Janko Mihelić
There is amenity=arts_centre which is a subclass of amenity=community_centre. It's used 11 688 times. So the cat's out of the bag, why wouldn't you use youth_centre if we already use art_centre? But another thing bothers me with youth_centre, and that is, what if it is an arts_centre for youths?

Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary

2015-07-28 Thread Janko Mihelić
uto, 28. srp 2015. 11:53 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com je napisao: from what you have written it seems to me that these are tagging errors: if a road works as primary it should get the primary tag in osm. Country specific deviations that result from following different criteria

Re: [Tagging] Disputed area

2015-07-23 Thread Janko Mihelić
uto, 21. srp 2015. u 01:33 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com napisao je: How about: * Map each boundary as that boundary's country sees it, allowing overlaps. So the France boundary relation is according to France's views, and vice-versa for Italy. +1 Overlapping should be the first

Re: [Tagging] How to recognize memorial from monument?

2015-07-11 Thread Janko Mihelić
Monument is a large memorial. If you tag a monument with historic=memorial, it's not wrong, but not precise. If it is a statue, add tourism=artwork + artwork_type=sculpture + artist=* + artist:wikidata=* + start_date=* + material=* Janko sub, 11. srp 2015. 13:21 Joachim nore...@freedom-x.de

Re: [Tagging] Tags of a node representing an area (polygon or relation)

2015-07-01 Thread Janko Mihelić
You could draw a rectangle reusing all the nodes from the building, or make a relation with the building rectangle, type=multipolygon, role=outer, and put the tags there. Janko sri, 1. srp 2015. u 14:58 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com napisao je: Hi, An OSM element is normally made of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging hand operated bicycle pumps (compressed_air)

2015-06-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
pet, 12. lip 2015. 05:20 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com je napisao: probably better: access=no access:bicycle=yes (otherwise everything other than a motor vehicle is assumed yes). Well.. I would then at least add foot=yes. If a kid wants to fill his football :-)

Re: [Tagging] access=student and entrance=inter-building: comments?

2015-06-11 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think we should focus on the shoes, and not on the students and inter-buildings. Maybe there are some international suuchools in Japan where you can walk in shoes, and have an entrance for students. How would you tag that? You need a tag like access:shoes=no for inter-building passages and/or

Re: [Tagging] Tagging hand operated bicycle pumps (compressed_air)

2015-06-11 Thread Janko Mihelić
Why not amenity=compressed_air + access:motor_vehicle=no ? I don't understand what's the problem with that tag. What do you mean by hand operated? You mean pumps where you compress air manualy? Maybe manual_compress=yes is enough. čet, 11. lip 2015. 19:08 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com je

Re: [Tagging] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Thread Janko Mihelić
I like the idea. Editors show the message prominently the first time you touch the object. It doesn't have to be imagery, it can be various messages to subsequent mappers. pet, 12. lip 2015. 00:20 David dban...@internode.on.net je napisao: Formalising readme is a good and have editing tools

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
I'm guessing we don't need admin_level with vehicle registration, because it's always the same within a certain country. So let's keep it simple: building=yes + vehicle_registration=yes + driver_licensing=yes. uto, 9. lip 2015. 17:42 p...@trigpoint.me.uk je napisao: On Tue Jun 9 16:26:36 2015

Re: [Tagging] Access and area type for some (public) objects

2015-06-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
Is there a sign private or residents only or something like that? Then tag it as access=private, or motor_vehicle=private. Is there only a gate or a liftgate with no sign? Just add barrier=liftgate/gate. Access=permisive is a bit tricky, but I wouldn't tag any of your examples with that tag.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
What's the difference in handling? When you register your car in Oregon, you can drive it across the USA. For cases when you can only get a drivers license for inside Oregon we can use: driver_licensing=yes + driver_licensing:admin_level=4 uto, 9. lip 2015. 23:15 John Eldredge

Re: [Tagging] Future of categories

2015-05-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
sri, 27. svi 2015. 09:45 Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl je napisao: W dniu 26.05.2015 22:35, Tobias Knerr napisał(a): I don't understand what you mean exactly: just a service without Wikimedia data to use our own, or with a copy of Wikimedia objects (one-time or synchronized somehow maybe)?

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Janko Mihelić
uto, 26. svi 2015. 11:20 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com je napisao: yes, basically at the moment wikidata entities have almost the same issues as wp articles have (because they have been created from the articles) with the advantage of the capability of better handling of name

Re: [Tagging] Future of categories (was: Re: Deprecating wikipedia Tag)

2015-05-26 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think we need a separate instalation of wikibase on our wiki. No need to fork wikibase. Then we can organize our tags in categories, subcategories, relations to outside data like wikidata and so on. Not only that, but make that wikibase a sort of an API to our tags. For example, if a data

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-25 Thread Janko Mihelić
pon, 25. svi 2015. 18:57 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com je napisao: Automatically creating wikipedia articles out of wikidata objects shouldn't be too hard. The reverse seems unlikely. As far as I understand, wikidata will always be playing catch-up to wikipedia, to some extent.

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

2015-05-25 Thread Janko Mihelić
So if I'm right, it's 1 for changing the wiki page, and 12 (including me) opposed. Janko pon, 25. svi 2015. 20:10 John Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com je napisao: The ele tag is for indicating the elevation of an object above sea level. Not many people will know the elevation of each of a

Re: [Tagging] Replace tagging mailling list with Loomio?

2015-05-24 Thread Janko Mihelić
Maybe if there was a way to integrate Loomio so that the mailing list still works, but without the added features. And some features turned off, like editing messages, because that doesn't make sense with a mailing list. Janko ned, 24. svi 2015. 15:43 jgpacker john.pack...@gmail.com je napisao:

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of work. So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make their life easier, than to cater to the 95%. http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68097488 Janko ned, 17. svi 2015. 07:43

Re: [Tagging] Group of islands?

2015-05-17 Thread Janko Mihelić
There was a proposal of the tag cluster recently, and a mailing list thread: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-January/020959.html ned, 17. svi 2015. 17:24 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com je napisao: On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 04:15:02PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-17 Thread Janko Mihelić
I agree with this, but I think consumers should be abstrated from our tags too. It shouldn't be impossible to change the meaning of a tag. But untill such abstraction is made, no major changes should be made. Janko ned, 17. svi 2015. 15:14 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com je napisao: It

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
It maybe controversial, but I think we don't want everyone editing the map. I think we need some barriers to filter out people who are good mappers. Good mappers have to understand this is not a service for them, but a community. They have to understand this is not a drawn map but a database. They

Re: [Tagging] Water featuers

2015-05-15 Thread Janko Mihelić
pet, 15. svi 2015. 13:15 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com je napisao: On 15/05/2015 4:55 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: A lot of those end up as natural=water. I suppose man_made=yes could be added. The 'Pool of Reflection' Sydney is simply tagged natural=water name=Pool of Reflection Way: 182625202

Re: [Tagging] Water featuer

2015-05-15 Thread Janko Mihelić
pet, 15. svi 2015. 13:15 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com je napisao: On 15/05/2015 4:55 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: A lot of those end up as natural=water. I suppose man_made=yes could be added. The 'Pool of Reflection' Sydney is simply tagged natural=water name=Pool of Reflection Way: 182625202

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

2015-05-11 Thread Janko Mihelić
I would be more in favor of a+b) because you might want to tag a place with shop=pastry because 95% of their assortiment is pastry, but they have 5% candy so you add candy=yes. Janko pon, 11. svi 2015. 17:12 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com je napisao: In my experience, most places that

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-10 Thread Janko Mihelić
ned, 10. svi 2015. 14:54 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk je napisao: Really: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Memorial ? Every monument is a memorial, isn't it? Monuments are large memorials. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?

2015-05-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
+1 for solution 1. It's the most future-safe, it's easiest to explain, and most likely not to be misunderstood by new mappers. A few extra nodes is a small price. Janko čet, 7. svi 2015. 18:49 Mike N nice...@att.net je napisao: I tend to migrate toward solution 1 in urban environments.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
In Croatia historic=monument is often wrongly used to tag all types of sculptures. Only a dedicated icon for sculptures (tourism=artwork + artwork_type=sculpture) can fix that. Janko čet, 7. svi 2015. 18:05 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com je napisao: On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:11 AM,

Re: [Tagging] Wood+Coastline conflict

2015-04-29 Thread Janko Mihelić
sri, 29. tra 2015. 18:32 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com je napisao: In the case of a mangrove forest, it means exactly what it seems like: there is no other land type between forest and water. I think you should map a mangrove forest over the water, if tree trunks are sticking out

Re: [Tagging] internet_access usage in parks (and other open areas)

2015-04-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think internet_access could be used in both ways. It can be used vaguely, as an attribute of a restaurant, hotel, pub. Those places offer their service of bringing you internet access. If you don't have a strong enough signal, it just means the service is bad. But attributing internet access to

Re: [Tagging] internet_access usage in parks (and other open areas)

2015-04-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
pet, 17. tra 2015. 01:28 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com je napisao: There is also another problem: how do you find a park that offers wifi if it's mapped as a different object? Search for all parks that have an enclosed internet_access node, or easier, find all parks that are les

Re: [Tagging] Highway barrier

2015-04-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
Well, the street is likely already tagged with oneway=yes, so we know the direction of spikes. I'll throw out a suggestion: barrier=one_way_spikes. Janko uto, 14. tra 2015. 07:47 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com je napisao: Take a look at this nasty device that prevents traveling the

Re: [Tagging] Defacto: man_made=storage_tank

2015-04-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
A building=storage_tank only tells you what the building looks like from the outside, and what was it's first purpose. It could very well be an interesting hotel. uto, 14. tra 2015. 07:45 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us je napisao: On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Mateusz Konieczny

Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

2015-04-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
How do you know the direction of water flow if you don't have the way? Janko uto, 14. tra 2015. 11:45 Torstein Ingebrigtsen Bø torstein...@gmail.com je napisao: Hi, I'm currently importing topological data of Norway to OSM. From the data set we have riverbanks; however, we do not have the

Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

2015-04-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com je napisao: How do you know the direction of water flow if you don't have the way? Janko uto, 14. tra 2015. 11:45 Torstein Ingebrigtsen Bø torstein...@gmail.com je napisao: Hi, I'm currently importing topological data of Norway to OSM. From the data set we have

Re: [Tagging] Highway barrier

2015-04-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
uto, 14. tra 2015. 14:34 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com je napisao: All interesting arguments but if a highway has a barrier, won't all access be treated as blocked (access=no) by _most_ routing software? I agree, maybe something like barrier:oneway=spikes would be a better concept.

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting Shooting Range

2015-04-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
+1 shooting=range looks uncompatible with anything I've seen. A tag that naturally comes to mind is leisure=shooting_range. There are onla 6 of those, compared to 145 shooting=range, but I think that tag is bad enough to deprecate it. Janko ned, 12. tra 2015. 18:17 Andreas Goss

Re: [Tagging] Which entities use area=yes

2015-04-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
Another one is man_made=pier. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] volcanic features proposal

2015-03-31 Thread Janko Mihelić
I like the proposal, and would vote for it. uto, 31. ožu 2015. 00:55 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com je napisao: I have lifted the scheme originally proposed by Mike to a proposal page, did not have time for details yet. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Volcanic_features

Re: [Tagging] recommend tagging of volcanos as ways rather than nodes

2015-03-31 Thread Janko Mihelić
Nominatim heavily uses the Wikipedia tag to decide which search result to put in front. So if you write Paris in the search box, Paris, Texas is not going to be the first result. They look at the length of the article, number of translated articles, or something like that. I see no reason

Re: [Tagging] recommend tagging of volcanos as ways rather than nodes

2015-03-30 Thread Janko Mihelić
In a broader sense, volcano is a mountain that appeared after a volcano blew up. The problem is, we don't yet have a way of mapping mountains. There was a suggestion to map a mountain by tagging mountain=xyz on all entities that define a mountain, that is peaks, ridges, mountain passes and such.

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-19 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-19 13:46 GMT+01:00 Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com: I would prefer a different tag as I would not like the lemonade table to be rendered in the same way as a regular filling station. The tag shop=gas with subtag would be better. I like shop, but gas is an aggregate state of

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
So theoretically, we shouldn't ban anything from being mapped (or almost anything). But practically, we don't want people being routed to the nearest toilet that is actually inside a power plant. How do we fix this? One way could be to add a prefix like private: to anything that is by default

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-18 11:38 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: if that toilet is tagged with amenity=toilets it is a tagging error and the tag should be fixed or the object completely removed. The toilets tag is for toilet[s] open to the public. Well, it is a toilet, and it is an

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-18 12:15 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: It would require us to add operator tags to every single object inside another object with the same operator tag, if I got you right. Only to the ones that are by default used by public, so toilets, waste_disposals, and

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-18 12:58 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: the operator doesn't tell you anything about access rights, property structure, publicness etc. It is about the entity _operating_ a feature / object / thing. It doesn't, but it tells you who decides on those things.

Re: [Tagging] Current status of the key smoothness=*

2015-03-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think this should be resolved with lots and lots of photos, which the community then segregates into classes. Smoothness on asphalt is something entirely different than smoothness on sand, or smoothness on ground. When a mapper is in doubt, just look at 10 photos which are determined to be

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposed Relationship Area Steps

2015-03-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-09 11:57 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: this looks very complicated to render, because you have to synchronize to flights of steps so that they become one, I guess this will be much easier if you mapped 2 steps instead of this very complex object (doesn't look

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
they have mapped, and to guide mappers in their choice of tags. If you decide to use this layer for different purposes you are guaranteed to have problems. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-09 23:06 GMT+01:00 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: How does it help mappers see what they have mapped to not show a large structure which has been mapped and which is physically present? I didn't say the bridge shouldn't be rendered. I just said it's not default layers job to

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposed Relationship Area Steps

2015-03-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
Dana 9. 3. 2015. 01:48 osoba Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com napisala je: Sorry ... but That assume that the vanishing is done on the lowest way.. it may also be done on the upper way .. or it could be done on both! And it is conceivable for when done on both to have the same nuber of steps side to

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposed Relationship Area Steps

2015-03-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
vanished. I think this is pretty elegant. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposed Relationship Area Steps

2015-03-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
The left part starts with a tread, and the right one starts with a rise. Janko Mihelić [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stairs#mediaviewer/File:Stairway_Measurements.svg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposed Relationship Area Steps

2015-03-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-05 12:59 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Where the steps (probably at the bottom) meet a street which is itself steeply sloping. The number of steps is not constant across the width and the difference between extreme left and extreme right may be several steps. How

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
What are those toilets? Are they little shacks like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pit_latrines_in_Briqueterie_-_des_latrines_%C3%A1_fosses_%C3%A0_la_Briqueterie,_Yaounde_%283447843124%29.jpg If so, then maybe building=toilet could be the best fit. I've been looking at tags from

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
If those toilets are private, why do they state if women can use them? Isn't that a private matter up to the owner of the toilette? 2015-03-03 15:04 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com: On 03/03/2015 13:30, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, Bryce Nesbitt

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-19 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-19 10:27 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: I'd do tourism=maze ... similar to zoo, theme park, museum, artwork. and if necessary sub tag under that .. there are lots of different types .. see wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze I agree. It's simple and to the point.

Re: [Tagging] maxwidth vs. maxwidth:physical vs. width

2015-02-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
Maybe it's for special cargo. If you are a regular truck, you have to use maxwidth. But if you are a truck that has oversize load[1] you use maxwidth:physical. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversize_load Janko ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - traffic_signals (Lukas Schaus)

2015-02-10 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-10 11:29 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: This does seem very complicated, I cannot see much take up by mappers on the ground. Traffic signal timing varies by time of day, day of week, and traffic density. Many traffic signals can be remotely controlled to clear

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-09 13:30 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: Just one quick question: are there any tags describing the track bed and ties? Here is a huge list of railway tags: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging There is embedded=yes/no/pavement/wood/metal/plastic

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-08 17:48 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Actually, I use an even more general approach: railway:forward=tram railway:lanes:backward=tram|no together with access I also use train access:lanes:backward=no|yes train:lanes:backward=designated|no I don't understand why you

Re: [Tagging] courtyards

2015-02-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-08 15:47 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: maybe building:part=courtyard would be a good tag semantic wise (but unlikely to be rendered on the main style) +1 That's the first one that came to my mind. That is a part of the building. When I was mapping manors I

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
describe lanes, they do not represent the railway. Tag tram:lanes:forward=no|designated only says that the outer lane has a railway track on it. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-06 Thread Janko Mihelić
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes:psv And in my town those lanes are reserved for trams, buses and taxis. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-02-06 Thread Janko Mihelić
Why not tourism=reception_desk? We have tourism=hotel, tourism=camp_site, tourism=information, it's only logical to use the same key. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-02-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-28 19:25 GMT+01:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: If there used to be a building but all that is left is a clearing in the forest, then the clearing will be in OSM, and not a building with a lifecycle tag of removed. But what if hikers still refer to the spot? Like Let's go to

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-26 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-25 23:30 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: If this tag is to be useful (assuming it is the sort of thing OSM should record), maybe using Wikidata should be considered through an additional tag such as dedication:wikidata=Q33923 for Saint Peter

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a corner address with addr:street:corner=*

2015-01-19 Thread Janko Mihelić
Using the phrase intersection of street x and street y is used all the time, probably everywhere in the western world. But we don't use addr:intersection. Are there streets where if you use corner of street x and street y people wouldn't understand, because the corner of those streets isn't a

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
I don't get how amenity=drinking_water is a problem. It is just a tag with a wider meaning. man_made=water_tap+drinking_water=yes is a special type of amenity=drinking_water, as is natural=spring+drinking_water=yes or some other combination. ___ Tagging

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