Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of France, so here is a translation for a more international debate... According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a petanque pitch (leisure=pitch) is: sport=boules boules=petanque (375 nodes, 75 ways

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Dan S
2014-05-15 10:00 GMT+01:00 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of France, so here is a translation for a more international debate... According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a petanque pitch

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-15 11:07 GMT+02:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com: Much better to standardise on the chaining approach i.e. boules=* this was also discussed on talk-it (and I think talk-de) in the past: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2013-October/038240.html the wiki advocates for

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Pieren
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: type is far too vague - it doesn't namespace at all, so it doesn't make it definite if it's a type of boules, a type of pitch, etc. The english wiki says, and I concur, Key:type should be avoided:

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread nounours77
Much better to standardise on the chaining approach i.e. boules=* this was also discussed on talk-it (and I think talk-de) in the past: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2013-October/038240.html the wiki advocates for boules=* on the tag page:

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com: Current usage is not very intense (80 times), and the top-level approach sport=bocce for the Italian variant is higher still: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=sport%3Dbocc* Not sure to understand you. (there are

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-05-15 at 11:00 +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of France, so here is a translation for a more international debate... According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a petanque pitch

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread nounours77
Am 15.05.2014 um 14:00 schrieb tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org: Indeed this is what you can also find reflected in the current usage: 6 291 *sport* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/sport *bowls* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/sport=bowls boules=bowls - 0 So should we then go

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 15/05/2014 14:43, nounours77 wrote: bowls=bowls | petanque | bocce | whatever One could argue that locale=c would lead us toward using 'bowls' but on the other hand even the English-language Wikipedia article for bocce mentions that it is a ball sport belonging to the boules sport family

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread fly
Am 15.05.2014 15:01, schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier: On 15/05/2014 14:43, nounours77 wrote: bowls=bowls | petanque | bocce | whatever One could argue that locale=c would lead us toward using 'bowls' but on the other hand even the English-language Wikipedia article for bocce mentions that it is a

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-15 14:43 GMT+02:00 nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com: Indeed this is what you can also find reflected in the current usage: 6 291 *sport* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/sport *bowls* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/sport=bowls boules=bowls - 0 So should we then

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread fly
Am 15.05.2014 18:14, schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier: On 15/05/2014 17:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: but I wouldn't add boules=bowls to this list because it seems quite different (e.g. the pitch is grass and not sand or gravel). Instead sport=bowls is perfectly valid and used twice as much as all

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-15 18:14 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: I might also do it for sport=boules;type=bocce which would become sport=boules;boules=bocce. +1, there is also 1 type=boccia which might be normalized to bocce. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 15/05/2014 18:22, fly wrote: Pretty much everyone has agreed that the type=* is being abused and that chaining sport=boules;boules=petanque is cleaner so I'm going to correct the 718 occurrences of sport=boules;type=petanque into sport=boules;boules=petanque. This would be

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread fly
Am 15.05.2014 18:24, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014-05-15 18:14 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org mailto:j...@liotier.org: I might also do it for sport=boules;type=bocce which would become sport=boules;boules=bocce. +1, there is also 1 type=boccia which might

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-15 18:30 GMT+02:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Wikipedia makes a difference between boccia and bocce, even if it is just the italian name. the Italian wikipedia states that Boccia is Bocce for disabled people, the english WP says it is something very similar. I am no expert in

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 05/15/2014 06:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-05-15 18:30 GMT+02:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com mailto:lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Wikipedia makes a difference between boccia and bocce, even if it is just the italian name. the Italian wikipedia states that Boccia is