[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions

2014-11-02 Thread Lukas Sommer
Hello. After commenting period, now is starting the voting for the junction (only) tagging at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tagging_for_complex_junctions Lukas Sommer ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lis

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions

2014-11-11 Thread Lukas Sommer
Just as a reminder: Voting is still open at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tagging_for_complex_junctions Lukas Lukas Sommer 2014-11-02 7:57 GMT+00:00 Lukas Sommer : > Hello. > > After commenting period, now is starting the voting for the junction > (only) tagging at > htt

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:08:56AM +, Lukas Sommer wrote: > Just as a reminder: Voting is still open at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tagging_for_complex_junctions question - key:junction has many more possible values than just "yes" for the single point variant. Are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions

2014-11-11 Thread Lukas Sommer
The proposal is only about allow “junction=yes” on areas. All other stuff stays without changes. Lukas Sommer 2014-11-11 12:08 GMT+00:00 Richard Z. : > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:08:56AM +, Lukas Sommer wrote: > > Just as a reminder: Voting is still open at > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.o

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions

2014-11-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-11 14:45 GMT+01:00 Lukas Sommer : > The proposal is only about allow “junction=yes” on areas. All other stuff > stays without changes. Would you mind explaining why you oppose more specific junction types in this proposal which apparently aims at mapping junctions in more detail? Before

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions

2014-11-11 Thread Lukas Sommer
The most popular value for the key “junction” is “roundabout”, which can be used on closed ways, but it hasn’t the meaning of an area, but it is simply a closed way which is used together with “highway=*” and represents a road in form of a circle. So this would probably conflict with interpreting t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions

2014-11-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 11.11.2014 um 18:45 schrieb Lukas Sommer : > > but it is simply a closed way which is used together with “highway=*” and > represents a road in form of a circle. So this would probably conflict with > interpreting this as area. on the junction area you wouldn't put a highway tag. Ch

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions

2014-11-17 Thread Lukas Sommer
We have finally 12 votes: 11 times “yes” and 1 time “no”. I think this could be considered as approved … Lukas Lukas Sommer 2014-11-02 7:57 GMT+00:00 Lukas Sommer : > Hello. > > After commenting period, now is starting the voting for the junction > (only) tagging at > https://wiki.openstreetmap

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-28 Thread Lukas Sommer
Hello. After discussion and some modifications of the proposal, here a request for voting on “Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named“. This is an important feature in some regions in Asia (notably Japan and Korea), but may be useful also in other regions of the world. Lu

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
A link is missing. 2014-09-28 16:48 GMT+02:00 Lukas Sommer : > Hello. > > After discussion and some modifications of the proposal, here a request > for voting on “Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are > named“. > > This is an important feature in some regions in Asia (notably

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-28 Thread Lukas Sommer
Oh, sorry, I missed this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tagging_for_complex_junctions_or_traffic_signals_that_are_named Lukas Sommer 2014-09-28 20:47 GMT+00:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > A link is missing. > > 2014-09-28 16:48 GMT+02:00 Lukas Sommer : > >> Hello. >> >> After

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-28 Thread Никита
Not enough examples, I cannot vote yes right now. Can you please provide examples how to draw area for more complicated junctions? For 3, 4 or 5 roads? Example with roundabout (should we include inside area)? For junction with 2 or many roundabouts (how we should include all these small areas betwe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-28 Thread Paul Johnson
I can see this being somewhat practical in North America, but the tagging for North American examples tends to fall within existing standards. Take Coe Circle in Portland or Bartlett Square in Tulsa for example. And ignore the fact that Bartlett Square is round On Sep 28, 2014 10:15 PM, "Ники

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 29.09.2014 05:14, Никита wrote: Should we discourage usage of this tag(s) outside Korea and Japan? (I will vote yes for this part) a lot of people in Thailand will be mad at you then... Having named junctions is quite common. Stephan ___ Taggi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread Никита
> a lot of people in Thailand will be mad at you then... Well, yes, Thailand also, but this tag will be truly meaningful for limited number of countries. I think we should reflect that. > Having named junctions is quite common. Do you mean personal name? There very-very few named junctions in Russ

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread Никита
> Do you mean personal name proper noun? 2014-09-29 14:21 GMT+04:00 Никита : > > a lot of people in Thailand will be mad at you then... > Well, yes, Thailand also, but this tag will be truly meaningful for > limited number of countries. I think we should reflect that. > > > Having named junctions

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 29.09.2014 12:21, Никита wrote: > Having named junctions is quite common. Do you mean personal name? There very-very few named junctions in Russia and almost all of them are local names, not official. Ex: Thailand has official signs naming the junctions/intersections. These names are also

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread Lukas Sommer
> Can you please provide examples how to draw area for more complicated junctions? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tagging_for_complex_junctions_or_traffic_signals_that_are_named Lukas Sommer 2014-09-29 3:14 GMT+00:00 Никита : > Not enough examples, I cannot vote yes right

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread Никита
> Thailand has official signs naming the junctions/intersections. These names are also used when you give directions. As Imagic suggested, it not best way to use different tags for close meanings, single tag will be better option: junction=th:junction_area junction=jp:junction_area junction=kr:junc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread Lukas Sommer
The case of Japan is different. In Japan, the name belongs to the _traffic signal_, and _not_ to the junction. We need to distinguish this, because they are usually differently rendered (traffic signal names usually with an icon and junction names usually without an icon). But what would we gain w

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread Dave Swarthout
@Lukas "But what would we gain when we distinguish between th:junction_area and kr:junction_area - because here we have two values for the same feature." I assume what is desired is to have the ability to provide those two values in different languages. Usually the language suffix is found on the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread john
So, if you have an intersection of two streets, with one traffic signal facing each direction, each of the four traffic signals will have its own distinct name? On September 29, 2014 4:45:33 PM CDT, Lukas Sommer wrote: >The case of Japan is different. In Japan, the name belongs to the >_traffi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-29 Thread Никита
Dave, no, my intention was to describe them similar to maxspeed=DE:, maxspeed=IT: values, not tags. But as Lukas Sommer said > In Japan, the name belongs to the _traffic signal_, and _not_ to the junction. But since only Japan is different there no need to use prefixed values with different meaning

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-30 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-09-29 23:45 GMT+02:00 Lukas Sommer : > The case of Japan is different. In Japan, the name belongs to the _traffic > signal_, and _not_ to the junction. We need to distinguish this, because > they are usually differently rendered (traffic signal names usually with an > icon and junction names

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-30 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > If there is a need to tag traffic signal names and junction names on the > same node, As far as I understood, this is just a theoritical case. Also, in real world, it doesn't make real sens to name the intersection AND a traffic signal (wit

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-30 Thread Lukas Sommer
> If there is a need to tag traffic signal names and junction names on the same node, then the logical solution is junction:name=* and traffic_signals:name=*. Or in different languages: junction:name:th=* and traffic_signals:name:kr=*. Different names for junction and traffic signal are probably n

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-30 Thread Lukas Sommer
Oh, sorry, Pieren was faster… ;-) Lukas Sommer 2014-09-30 12:34 GMT+00:00 Lukas Sommer : > > If there is a need to tag traffic signal names and junction names on the > same node, then the logical solution is junction:name=* and > traffic_signals:name=*. Or in different languages: junction:name:t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-30 Thread fly
Am 30.09.2014 14:34, schrieb Lukas Sommer: >> If there is a need to tag traffic signal names and junction names on > the same node, then the logical solution is junction:name=* and > traffic_signals:name=*. Or in different languages: junction:name:th=* > and traffic_signals:name:kr=*. > > Differen

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-30 Thread Lukas Sommer
What would also be no problem, because you can give an individual name=* tag to each node with highway=traffic_signals and another name=* tag to the area. Lukas Sommer 2014-09-30 18:56 GMT+00:00 fly : > Am 30.09.2014 14:34, schrieb Lukas Sommer: > >> If there is a need to tag traffic signal name

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-10-01 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:56 PM, fly wrote: > Once more cite a mail on the previous thread [1] > > Seems to be a real world example, which is mappable with nodes for the > traffic_signals and an area for the junction. You even don't need an area if the junction is a node and the traffic signals a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-10-10 Thread Lukas Sommer
Hello all. At https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tagging_for_complex_junctions_or_traffic_signals_that_are_named there is still a proposal for complex junctions and traffic signal systems in voting process. Participation is appreciated ;-) Regards Lukas Lukas Sommer 2014-09-

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-10-14 Thread Lukas Sommer
Okay, we have 9 votes: - 5 times approve - 3 times oppose - 1 time obstain I suppose this is not enough? Lukas Sommer 2014-09-28 14:48 GMT+00:00 Lukas Sommer : > Hello. > > After discussion and some modifications of the proposal, here a request > for voting on “Tagging for complex junctions or