Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:34:41 +0100 Tomasz Wójcik wrote: > For me, it's obvious that we should choose: > > * historic=palace for palaces > * historic=manor for manors > > Castles and palaces/ manors are different types of objects and it > shouldn't be mixed as some subtypes of

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:55:14 +0100 Colin Smale wrote: > modern palaces building=palace, without historic=palace? > buildings still in use as a palace historic building may be in use - it is not changing anything. building:use may be also added.

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

Well, in some villages there are palaces that were never fortified. This is the case, for example, of the Palace of Count of Superunda, north of this point: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/42.25708/-2.63038 It is just a big abandoned house in the middle of a village. There are many

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

sent from a phone > On 20. Mar 2018, at 18:55, Colin Smale wrote: > > What about modern palaces, or buildings still in use as a palace? Would you say historic=palace doesn’t apply? is “modern” referring to an architectural style? “In use as a palace” means “residence

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

What about modern palaces, or buildings still in use as a palace? A manor is an area of land, not a building. xxx=manor_house would be more appropriate. I agree that neither are hyponym / hypernym of castle - that is something completely different like "fortified against attack". A former

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

For me, it's obvious that we should choose: * historic=palace for palaces * historic=manor for manors Castles and palaces/ manors are different types of objects and it shouldn't be mixed as some subtypes of castle. Of coure there are examples "on the edge" but taking them as subtypes of

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

W dniu 19.03.2018 o 02:40, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: actually castle_type=manor is in the 300-2400 range, while historic=manor in the 2400-19200 range, and it has more than double the usage ;-) :-D I meant the same order of magnitude. I don’t follow the 2 tags are easier than 1 tag

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

sent from a phone > On 18. Mar 2018, at 22:55, Daniel Koć wrote: > > castle_type=manor (with an underscore, not a colon) - it has 1446 uses, which > is less than historic=manor (3 919), but bot are in the same range (1k < x > <10 k) actually castle_type=manor is in the

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

W dniu 17.03.2018 o 12:51, Christoph Hormann pisze: I have mentioned this many times in different situations before: The purpose of the tag documentation on the wiki is to document actual use of tags. This derives from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like. This page says

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

On 18/03/2018 21:55, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 17.03.2018 o 11:27, Andy Townsend pisze: Also "castle:type=manor" hasn't exactly troubled the scorers so far, has it? https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/castle:type=manor shows a grand total of _3_. Yes, that would be easy. =} But I was

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

W dniu 17.03.2018 o 11:27, Andy Townsend pisze: Also "castle:type=manor" hasn't exactly troubled the scorers so far, has it?   https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/castle:type=manor shows a grand total of _3_. Yes, that would be easy. =} But I was talking about castle_type=manor (with an

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

Almost, but the Lord of the Manor still exists and will be the one who benefits from mineral rights. Fracking for example. Phil (trigpoint) On 17 March 2018 12:36:36 GMT+00:00, Colin Smale wrote: >I have to agree with Martin on this. A Manor was an estate, which

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

A Manor is not a building, it's an area of land. A Manor House is a building. On 17 March 2018 19:40:31 CET, "José G Moya Y." wrote: >There are structures which are "manors" and I would't tag as a castle. >As >an example, a Spanish "cortijo" is the center of a big

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

There are structures which are "manors" and I would't tag as a castle. As an example, a Spanish "cortijo" is the center of a big (originally, feudal) estate that is metonymically called "cortijo", too. The central building has a defensive purpose. Historians would say some walled villages are

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

On Saturday 17 March 2018, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I would remove the part that requires a current administrative > function. > > > Please do not remove this. This is the wording that made me use the > manor tag for the Venetian Villas, which have exactly this > characteristic. I believe, but

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:51:26 +0100 Christoph Hormann wrote: > I have mentioned this many times in different situations before: The > purpose of the tag documentation on the wiki is to document actual > use of tags. This derives from >

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

I have to agree with Martin on this. A Manor was an estate, which typically had a big house where the feudal Lords lived, called the Manor House. The building therefore cannot itself be a Manor, and any feudal function has long since disappeared. On 17 March 2018 13:17:27 CET, Volker Schmidt

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

sent from a phone On 17. Mar 2018, at 12:28, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> I wouldn't read too much into the wiki here > > Well, given that humans are incapable of telepathy and nobody who used > this tag bothered to reply Wiki remain as the best available source. I

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:27:10 + Andy Townsend wrote: > OSM doesn't really have deprecated tags OSM has tags described as terrible idea that should not be used. > I wouldn't read too much into the wiki here Well, given that humans are incapable of telepathy and nobody who

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

On 17/03/2018 09:51, Daniel Koć wrote: Since there was no response so far, may I propose to deprecate using historic=manor and suggest on the wiki page to use only historic=castle + castle_type=manor instead. The reasons: OSM doesn't really have deprecated tags, except in special cases (for

Re: [Tagging] Manor tagging

Since there was no response so far, may I propose to deprecate using historic=manor and suggest on the wiki page to use only historic=castle + castle_type=manor instead. The reasons: 1. I can't see the difference in what both schemes try to symbolize. 2. There's a section on historic=manor

[Tagging] Manor tagging

Hi, I'm confused about manor tagging - we have two pages currently: - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Acastle_type%3Dmanor - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ahistoric%3Dmanor and the second one has the inscription: * historic