Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09/27/2011 07:44 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: There's a problem here: you're assuming that neighborhoods (and so-called quarters) are well-defined. I am very much against using place=... for areas; if one wants to describe areas then one should use a boundary tag. If the proposed

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/30 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I am very much against using place=... for areas; if one wants to describe areas then one should use a boundary tag. place was from the beginning defined for nodes as well as for areas. Currently we (mapnik-OSM) are using external data (natural

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/28 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: Martin, I'm not sure the NYC example is helping.  You mentioned this was discussed on the German mailing list--can you give some other examples from Germany (or whereever) about how this might be used?  Thanks, Brad You might have a look at

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/28 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 9/27/2011 8:26 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: How? What's wrong with all of the sub-Manhattan entities being place=neighborhood? not sure if there is something wrong there, so you could (as local mapper) decide to do it like this. In other

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Martin, I'm not sure the NYC example is helping. You mentioned this was discussed on the German mailing list--can you give some other examples from Germany (or whereever) about how this might be used? Thanks, Brad On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/27/2011 12:40 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: After more discussions on the German ML it looks as if one subdivision for suburbs (the proposed neighbourhood) was not enough, so we invented another level in the hierarchy of settlement parts. As the name for these parts as well as the

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 9/27/2011 12:40 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: After more discussions on the German ML it looks as if one subdivision for suburbs (the proposed neighbourhood) was not enough, so we invented another level in the hierarchy of settlement parts.

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/27/2011 1:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: For example, in New York City, there are five well-defined boroughs (which coincide with counties, a sub-state-level division). Presumably these would be your quarters. na, those would be the suburbs. Currently they are tagged as hamlets ;-)

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-27 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Based on earlier discussions of place=suburb [1], I think it's good to start from an understanding that suburb as used in OSM does not match the common understanding of suburb in the US. [2] That said, I don't yet see the need for quarter. Both suburb and neighborhood are vaguely defined as it

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/27 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: Based on earlier discussions of place=suburb [1], I think it's good to start from an understanding that suburb as used in OSM does not match the common understanding of suburb in the US. [2] +1, yes, place=suburb is not a suburb. I also tried

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/27/2011 7:15 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: They can overlap and maybe also be contained one within another, but if there is some entity which contains several neighbourhoods it could get another tag even if this part would in some language/context be called neighbourhood as well. It's not

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/28 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 9/27/2011 7:15 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: There's no consistent same level here. If you split Manhattan into three strips, Upper Manhattan is on the same level as Midtown. But if you go into slightly finer divisions, Harlem and Midtown are