Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-11-14 Thread Warin
On 15/11/22 12:16, Matija Nalis wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:00:42 +0100, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: Is this proposal functionally any different from the water outlet proposal?https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_outlet You mean the one that was cancelled because i

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-11-14 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:00:42 +0100, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: > Is this proposal functionally any different from the water outlet > proposal? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_outlet You mean the one that was cancelled because it was a duplicate of already existin

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-11-12 Thread Warin
On 13/11/22 03:00, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: Is this proposal functionally any different from the water outlet proposal? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_outlet There is a lot more to be done for something like this. It needs to incorporate all "man made sourc

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-11-12 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
Is this proposal functionally any different from the water outlet proposal? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_outlet I'm alright with using a name different from fountain since a lot of people disagree on that name. By doing all this you're effectively deprecating am

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-11-12 Thread Warin
On 10/10/22 21:36, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: In Australia it would be unusual to find a drinking fountain without a tap to stop the flow when a person is not drinking. I think it could be illegal such is the scarcity of water. Thus, I believe that a world wide default should be avoided in

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-10 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
>I think you're joking about the lemonade, but here's the world's >largestfountain drink cup, now mapped in OSM: Yes, I thought I was joking, but now you tell me it is possible!  LOL Regards,Peter(PeterPan99) On Monday, 10 October 2022 at 20:25:53 BST, Minh Nguyen wrote: Vào lúc 03:0

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-10 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 03:08 2022-10-09, Peter Neale via Tagging đã viết: A tap is a device to control the flow of whatever liquid (or gas, I suppose) is coming out.  Potable water, non-potable water; lemonade; petrol (gasoline), Oxygen, whatever... I think you're joking about the lemonade, but here's th

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-10 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
In Australia it would be unusual to find a drinking fountain without a tap to stop the flow when a person is not drinking. I think it could be illegal such is the scarcity of water. Thus, I believe that a world wide default should be avoided in favour of local ones or enforcing explicit tagging

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-10 Thread Warin
On 10/10/22 20:55, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: If it was fitted with a shower .. then it becomes a shower. If around the pipe on which the tap is present is fitted a fountain .. then it becomes a fountain. Nit picking: Oxygen is a gas .. under 'normal' conditions. Better to use the term

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-10 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
If it was fitted with a shower .. then it becomes a shower. If around the pipe on which the tap is present is fitted a fountain .. then it becomes a fountain. Nit picking: Oxygen is a gas .. under 'normal' conditions. Better to use the term fluid rather than liquid. I would expect the follo

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-10 Thread Warin
On 9/10/22 21:08, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote: No, it would not "turn them into taps", but it WOULD mean that a tap is present as part of the structure of the device.  "amenity=drinking_water; tap=yes". If something is fitted with a tap on its outlet .. it is then a tap. If it was fitted

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-10 Thread Warin
On 9/10/22 21:49, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am So., 9. Okt. 2022 um 12:22 Uhr schrieb Minh Nguyen : drinking_water=no is already approved for non-potable water, and there are non-Boolean values and drinking_water:legal=* if you'd like to split hairs. +1 I'd expec

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-09 Thread stevea
Minh, thank you for your always-excellent research. With this recent law (2017) about purple pipes in California and the 2015 Uniform Codes (Plumbing, Mechanical), I stand corrected as to my “there is no color-coding” (on pipes for reclaimed water in California). On Oct 9, 2022, at 3:19 AM,

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 9. Okt. 2022 um 12:22 Uhr schrieb Minh Nguyen < m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us>: > drinking_water=no is already approved for non-potable water, and there > are non-Boolean values and drinking_water:legal=* if you'd like to split > hairs. +1 > I'd expect that a tag for fountains and a t

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-09 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 23:50 2022-10-08, stevea đã viết: On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:44 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:36, stevea wrote: Disagree, some are are the same feature .. taps can be drinking water .. or 'not suitable for drinking' (legal CYA?), 'recommend you boil' (more CYA?),

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-09 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
No, it would not "turn them into taps", but it WOULD mean that a tap is present as part of the structure of the device.  "amenity=drinking_water; tap=yes".  The water is potable and you have to operate a tap to make it flow (so you may be OK to get a drink, but your dog might struggle and need a

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-09 Thread stevea
On Oct 9, 2022, at 12:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone >> On 9 Oct 2022, at 08:43, stevea wrote: >> Tags must capture these differences, and more. > > and ideally they should do it in a way to reduce confusion Yes, thank you; +1. (I forgot to add “to reduce confusion,” you

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9 Oct 2022, at 08:43, stevea wrote: > > Tags must capture these differences, and more. and ideally they should do it in a way to reduce confusion Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://li

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-09 Thread Warin
On 9/10/22 17:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:36, stevea wrote: > Disagree, some are are the same feature .. taps can be drinking water .. or 'not suitable for drinking' (legal CYA?), 'recommend you boil' (more CYA?), and 'not suitable for drinking' (you

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread stevea
On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:44 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:36, stevea wrote: > > > Disagree, some are are the same feature .. taps can be drinking water .. or > > 'not suitable for drinking' (legal CYA?), 'recommend you boil' (more CYA?), > > and 'not suitable for drinki

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
What do they say about great minds, Steve? :-) Thanks Graeme On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:43, stevea wrote: > On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:31 PM, stevea wrote: > > Yes, taps CAN be drinking water, but not necessarily are. For example, > a hose_bib on a residence's "backyard porch" might be designed to

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:36, stevea wrote: > > > Disagree, some are are the same feature .. taps can be drinking water .. > or 'not suitable for drinking' (legal CYA?), 'recommend you boil' (more > CYA?), and 'not suitable for drinking' (you really would not drink this > stuff, just look and smel

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread stevea
On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:31 PM, stevea wrote: > Yes, taps CAN be drinking water, but not necessarily are. For example, a > hose_bib on a residence's "backyard porch" might be designed to attach a hose > and water plants with a sprinkler or a hand-valve sprayer, but such a tap can > also be declar

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread stevea
I love reading about all the German flavors here — and I'm not a bit surprised (as the German language loves to do this, and I love German for this!) On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/10/22 22:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> On 8 Oct 2022, at 12:43, Enno

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Warin
On 8/10/22 22:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 8 Oct 2022, at 12:43, Enno Hermann wrote: It does not make sense to me to use different tags for the same kind of feature, so I generally use amenity=fountain for these with appropriate subtags. it’s not the same kind of f

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Peter Elderson
I have the impression that slow running water points in Europe rapidly are fitted with a push button fot a limited amount of water or a limited tap time. Would that turn them into water taps? Peter Elderson > Op 8 okt. 2022 om 19:26 heeft michael spreng (datendelphin) > het volgende geschrev

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Sa., 8. Okt. 2022 um 19:26 Uhr schrieb michael spreng (datendelphin) < m...@osm.datendelphin.net>: > - It seems we have more specific terms in German for fountains. >Springbrunnen, Laufbrunnen, Brunnen... it confuses that in English, >everything is mapped to the same term (I'm not a nat

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread michael spreng (datendelphin)
Hi Yes, those examples from Eginhard are all fountains. I discussed this at various times with other Swiss mappers. Reasons that some are not tagged as fountain, from those conversations: - The term "decorational" confuses - The examples on the wiki page are mostly exuberant examples. We shou

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Sa., 8. Okt. 2022 um 16:04 Uhr schrieb Davidoskky : > > That’s why we decided some years ago to record additional detail about > the structure in the fountain tag. > I wish to add more sense to how these structures are described. The > current tagging scheme has a lot of problems with overlappi

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
On 08/10/22 15:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: this is the result of focusing what apparently most people are interested in (drinking water), regardless of the physical details I think this is good and I have no intention of changing this thing in fact. That’s why we decided some years ago to

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8 Oct 2022, at 14:23, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > > It feels strange to me that the same exact structure might belong to three > different primary tags according to whether the water provided is potable or > not or if animals can use it or not. this is the res

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
Apparently they are not decorative enough for some people and should be tagged amenity=drinking_water. However, the same type of fountain could have a sign saying the water is not potable Thank you for the examples, this is what I was trying to address. yes, if the water is drinkable, I would

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8 Oct 2022, at 12:43, Enno Hermann wrote: > > It does not make sense to me to use different tags for the same kind of > feature, so I generally use amenity=fountain for these with appropriate > subtags. it’s not the same kind of feature if the water is drinkable in o

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8 Oct 2022, at 12:43, Enno Hermann wrote: > > One thing I keep wondering about on this topic is how to tag very simple > fountains that are widespread in Switzerland along hiking paths > (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adlisberg_-_Gockhausen_IMG_4215.jpg) > o

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-08 Thread Enno Hermann
Taps seem clearly defined to me and I don't think a combination of amenity=fountain, tap=yes would make sense for the examples on the wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap One thing I keep wondering about on this topic is how to tag very simple fountains that are wides

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-07 Thread Warin
On 7/10/22 23:37, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: I wish to broadly discuss the definition of fountains and similar objects that have the objective of delivering water (drinkable or not). Everything I wish to discuss in this thread is about man made constructions that transport water through

[Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-07 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
I wish to broadly discuss the definition of fountains and similar objects that have the objective of delivering water (drinkable or not). Everything I wish to discuss in this thread is about man made constructions that transport water through pipes, I will thus not talk about wells and such th