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Betreff: Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water
Dear All,
I have amended the proposal with the tag and a simplif
Dear All,
I have amended the proposal with the tag and a simplified example.
The proposal is definitely more KISS.
drinking_water:refill_scheme =
Best regards,
Stuart
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 14:21, Philip Barnes wrote:
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> On Wednesday, 22 January 2020, European Water Project wrote:
> > H
Dear Phil,
A group of us have recently started an NGO called European Water Project to
develop a similar scheme to that of Refill all over Europe. I have
written a Progressive Web Apllication https://europeanwaterproject.org
available in 8 languages for this purpose. We currently are only mappin
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 13:21, Philip Barnes wrote:
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> Its a shame the website doesn't have location, I do not use Google play,
> but I guess thats why you want to put them into OSM.
>
I tried the app on Android. It uses Google maps, which is common for
Android
apps. I expect the Apple version
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020, European Water Project wrote:
> Hi Paul et. al,
>
> I would also be very supportive of this straightforward approach which
> would address many of the concerns regarding an over complicated tagging
> scheme covering cases that are often mandated by local legislatio
Hi Paul et. al,
I would also be very supportive of this straightforward approach which
would address many of the concerns regarding an over complicated tagging
scheme covering cases that are often mandated by local legislation.
One clean solution could be the following or something similar.
drin
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 10:46, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> Yesbut (I believe that) this tag is driven by the 'refill scheme' use
> case, which should be identifiable on-the-ground by displayed information.
> Data could be collected by apps built by the schemes.
>
For those unfamiliar with the sche
Yesbut (I believe that) this tag is driven by the 'refill scheme' use
case, which should be identifiable on-the-ground by displayed information.
Data could be collected by apps built by the schemes.
The general case of "will a retailer give me free water as a customer" case
is discussed to see
I would tend to agree with Frederik.
In GB (1) all licensed premises (2) must offer free tap water to customers.
This covers all pubs and bars, most restaurants and some cafe. The mappers
time would be far more efficiently spent adding a tag to indicate which
restaurants and cafes are licensed
Hi,
On 17.01.20 07:37, European Water Project wrote:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Free_Water
My opinion on this is:
1. It is not something that should be mapped in OSM at all; this is a
volatile property like mapping menu items for a restaurant or product
offers for a
Dear Florimond,
In my opinion English is a language of affirmations and conditional
affirmations more than a language of negations with caveats.I fully
acknowledge and respect your differing opinion.
I will give other examples of how :free could be used affirmatively :
Free wifi at a bar co
Well,
if the ice cream parlour sells only bottle water it should be tagged
drinking_water:fee=yes
if the ice cream parlour gives free tap water and sell bottle water it
should be tagged drinking_water:fee=no
Giving free bottle water is rare, the only common case I see is hotel for
their customers,
Hi Martin,
haha .. https://moneyinc.com/10-expensive-bottled-waters-world/
Acqua di Cristallo Tributo a Modigliani
A $60,000 750 ml bottle of world no comment.
There are plenty of restaurants and cafés which don't sell water to
non-customers.
I just don't believe there is an equivalency be
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> On 21. Jan 2020, at 10:22, European Water Project
> wrote:
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> If a cafe is tagged "drinking_water:fee=yes", it could lead people
> erroneously to believe that the tagged cafe sells water ?
I’ve yet to see a cafe that doesn’t sell water.
Btw, I guess you are less int
Hi Florimond,
I can see your logic, even if I still prefer drinking_water:free. One more
issue I see with drinking_water:fee.
If a cafe is tagged "drinking_water:fee=yes", it could lead people
erroneously to believe that the tagged cafe sells water ?
It could be that the café or ice cream parlo
Le lun. 20 janv. 2020 à 16:16, European Water Project
a écrit :
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> Dear Florimond,
>
> What seems preferable about drinking_water:free= is that
> it is a tag that offers a complete response .
>
> drinking_water:fee, necessitates a follow up qualification. If no, then for
> whom if not for eve
Dear Florimond,
What seems preferable about drinking_water:free= is
that it is a tag that offers a complete response .
drinking_water:fee, necessitates a follow up qualification. If no, then for
whom if not for everyone ? If yes, then how much and is it the same fee for
customers and non-custom
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> On 18. Jan 2020, at 18:08, Florimond Berthoux
> wrote:
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> Hi, I added my proposal:
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> drinking_water:fee=yes/no
> drinking_water:fee:conditional="no @ customers" alternavite:
> drinking_water:fee:customers=no
> drinking_water:bottle=yes/no
>
> I think that the key bot
Le sam. 18 janv. 2020 à 18:37, European Water Project
a écrit :
> drinking_water:fee=yes/no
> drinking_water:fee:conditional="no @ customers" alternavite:
> drinking_water:fee:customers=no
> I can see how this works from a logic point of view, but still seems a bit
> convoluted
>
> I still prefe
Hello Florimond,
drinking_water:bottle = yes/no
seems quite good because it's pretty obvious that it would be your own
bottle if it is free water. I am happy to use this nomenclature if it is
more consistent and others are in agreement.
drinking_water:fee=yes/no
drinking_water:fee:conditional="no
Hi, I added my proposal:
drinking_water:fee=yes/no
drinking_water:fee:conditional="no @ customers" alternavite:
drinking_water:fee:customers=no
drinking_water:bottle=yes/no
I think that the key bottle=* can fit your needs to know if you can refill
you bottle easily or not. https://wiki.openstreet
hy they
believe their set of tags is the best.
I hope this can help expedite the process.
Best regards,
Stuart
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 07:31:13 +0900
> From: Joseph Eisenberg
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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> On 17. Jan 2020, at 20:27, Alessandro Sarretta
> wrote:
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> And water is probably too general... I try suggesting to use tap_water, that
> should clearly state that is not bottle water :-)
>
> So it could be:
>
> tap_water=yes/no/customers
> tap_water:free=yes/no/custom
> tap_water=
That will not work here in Indonesia. You do not drink the tap water here,
or in most countries in Asia.
-Joseph Eisenberg
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 4:27 AM Alessandro Sarretta <
alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> On 17/01/20 12:08, European Water Project wrote:
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> 2. Re
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 20:25:28 +0100
>> From: Alessandro Sarretta
>> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water
>> Message-ID: <9665c5e1-9a9b-e388-bff6-56366974b...@gmail.com>
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 20:49, European Water Project <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 1. Is there free water available ?
> 2. For whom is it free ? if it is the case that there is free water
> available
> 3. If it is free for everyone, can you bring your own container ?.
>
Do you know
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 20:25:28 +0100
> From: Alessandro Sarretta
> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water
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Hi,
On 17/01/20 12:08, European Water Project wrote:
2. Re: RFC free_water (François Lacombe)
I see your point and agree it would be preferable to develop a more
generalize nomenclature, but also think it is important to choose
something that is understandable to a newbie.
If we chos
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access = yes
container = bring_own
but the other permutations could be useful to others
Best regards,
Stuart
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> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:05:08 +0100
> From: François Lacombe
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools&q
Hi Stuart
Thank you for this document.
It's a valuable effort and great to see you involve in a formal proposal
process following discussions on local mailing list.
i've posted a suggestion on the Talk page
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Free_Water
Best regards
Franç
Dear All,
Over the past days we have debated the merits of adding a new feature
free_water and a sub-feature free_water:container, applicable in the
context of cafes, bars, night-clubs, and restaurants which are willing to
give out free water for bottle refill to anybody.
In the attached proposal
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