Re: [Tagging] Super-keys are evil

2015-02-25 Thread fly
Though, I have to admit that introducing new categories nor moving tags from one to another is not easy and often bricks, like osm-carto will not support it for quite some time, are through between your legs. Still in favour of introducing some more categories. cu fly Am 24.02.2015 um 20:02

Re: [Tagging] Super-keys are evil

2015-02-25 Thread Kurt Blunt
Matter in a nutshell: Certainly the way we use these super tags has a lot of historical baggage but I don't think it is a stupid idea per se, *especially* if your goal is (like you're claiming yours to be) making tags easy for mappers. I apologize for writing like a troll. I should have been

[Tagging] Super-keys are evil

2015-02-24 Thread Kurt Blunt
In a previous thread on this mailing list, someone proposed amenity=reception_desk. Someone else observed that the amenity key is where you put a new tag when you don't know where else to put it. I think this is a symptom of a bigger problem with tags on OSM. Right now, tags serve two distinct

Re: [Tagging] Super-keys are evil

2015-02-24 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Kurt Blunt k.bl...@inbox.com wrote: When you want to tag the same point with multiple categories, those categories must share the same tag and be separated by a semicolon e.g. shop=convenience;alcohol. That is, unless the two categories are under two

Re: [Tagging] Super-keys are evil

2015-02-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The editing tools have a role here, with iD leading the way. With iD one writes the thing, for example a bathroom. The editor matches this to available tags and lets you choose. It even hides the actual tag name (amenity=toilet most likely in this case). Thus with a good set of aliases, the

Re: [Tagging] Super-keys are evil

2015-02-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I think the top level keys have tremendous value. For example the current scheme allows rendering of generic tourist attractions and shops, even if the individual shop types are unknown (e.g. the singular dog collar shop in OSM and probably the world).

Re: [Tagging] Super-keys are evil

2015-02-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 02/23/2015 02:43 AM, Kurt Blunt wrote: Right now, tags serve two distinct purposes. There are attribute tags like name=Wall Street, and there are category tags like amenity=parking or aeroway=helipad. This works for many things but not all; the border can be blurred. You will not be

Re: [Tagging] Super-keys are evil

2015-02-24 Thread John Willis
On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The editing tools have a role here, with iD leading the way. With iD one writes the thing, for example a bathroom. The editor matches this to available tags and lets you choose. It even hides the actual tag name