[Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA - larger than a street (it occupies a whole city block), used as a multipurpose common area (pickup soccer games are a staple but parking or lounging around also occur, and the occasional popula

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 4/29/20 14:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar: > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA - larger than a > street (it occupies a whole city block), used as a multipurpose common > area (pickup soccer games are a staple but parking or loungi

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Apr 29, 2020, 21:37 by skqu...@rushpost.com: > Why exactly was leisure=common deprecated? I used it quite a bit on > OpenGeoFiction (which follows OSM's lead for the data model). > I updated https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon with arguments from https://github.com/gravitys

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Apr 29, 2020, 21:37 by skqu...@rushpost.com: > On 4/29/20 14:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > >> Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar: >> https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA - larger than a >> street (it occupies a whole city block), used as a multipurpose common >> are

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

I agree, the area in this spot ( https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA) is a moderly sized open area of bare earth, with buildings on 3 sides and a paved streets on a long side. It appears to be used for sports and recreation, and for walking. I suspect it might be a "de facto" le

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

place=square seems to fit the bill On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 23:18, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I agree, the area in this spot ( > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA) is a moderly > sized open area of bare earth, with buildings on 3 sides and a paved > streets on a long side. It

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 4/30/20 12:20 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: place=square seems to fit the bill place=square exists within the place=* hierarchy which , as documented in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place, is used to characterize named locations. What we tag here is almost always unnamed. Our goal

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 30/4/20 6:40 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Apr 29, 2020, 21:37 by skqu...@rushpost.com: On 4/29/20 14:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA - larger than a

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 4/30/20 3:13 AM, Warin wrote: It may look like sports are played there to you and me. It may resemble a park to others. However none of those may be the case! Or it may not be the primary use. Simply viewing it without local knowledge may well cause errors! The local mapper should say what

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier : > The concept they are closest to is "plaza" > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza) - which, by the way, does not seem > to have currency in Openstreetmap. place=square Cheers Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier mailto:j...@liotier.org>>: The concept they are closest to is "plaza" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza) - which, by the way, does not seem to have currency in Opens

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier < > j...@liotier.org>: > >> The concept they are closest to is "plaza" >> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 30/4/20 8:08 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com >: On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier mailto:j...@lioti

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 30/04/2020 12:10, Peter Elderson wrote: Seems to me that a "common" is an adequate word for such a place, so =common would be right. That makes sense to me as well. What key to use? I think it's a use of the land. Actual use can vary, may be leisure, may be commerce, may be parking, mayb

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 14:07 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend : > On 30/04/2020 12:10, Peter Elderson wrote: > > landuse=common makes most sense to me. > > name, surface, access etc could be added when applicable. > > > That's currently one of the keys used at > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 4/30/20 12:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: if these are significant open areas that are used for recreation and to meet each other, it seems improbable that they do not have names. Can you back your claim with real world examples? Go wander around Dakar and Bamako !

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 4/30/20 2:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 14:07 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com>>: How about "leisure=common"? +1, I would prefer leisure=common over landuse, as these seem to be "features" (countable, etc.) leisure=common is an especi

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:08:22 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Warin > <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > > On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > > > Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier < > > j...@liotier.org>:

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

+1 for highway=pedestrian + area=yes That how we map a town square in France (and every where else I guess ?) Le mer. 29 avr. 2020 à 23:18, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > I agree, the area in this spot ( > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA) is a moderly > sized open area of

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 1/5/20 9:00 pm, Florimond Berthoux wrote: +1 for highway=pedestrian + area=yes That how we map a town square in France (and every where else I guess ?) To me highway=pedestrian is more for where for where foot traffic passes rather than a place where people stop and meet. Le mer. 29 a

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

> On May 1, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Florimond Berthoux > wrote: > > +1 for highway=pedestrian + area=yes > That how we map a town square in France (and every where else I guess ?)’ +1 for plaza mapping and any other predominantly foot-dominated expanse in any usage like a plaza or wherever people

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 5/1/20 2:25 PM, John Willis via Tagging wrote: lots of urban areas have commons around buildings that are not mere landscaping - are those parks? landuse=grass? highway=ped? Indeed, in France I have seen such mapped as highway=pedestrian - but that emphasizes their role as thoroughfare rath

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

I also agree that leisure=common (leisure, not landuse) should continue to be used as it has been up to now for African (and not only African) countries, because () their context differs so much from European countries, for example. I find it the most suitable, and it's been the one we've been

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

The deprecation was not discussed, and it was not done by anyone at OpenStreetMap Carto, BTW. However, it is true that this tag (leisure=common)is ambiguous because it is being used for totally different purposes in different countries. So while you might be using it in a consistent way in your r

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 03/05/2020 17:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: The deprecation was not discussed, and it was not done by anyone at OpenStreetMap Carto, BTW. Er - wasn't that https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/3619 ? You commented in the discussion there... Best Regards, Andy ___

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

We stopped rendering it, but we didn’t edit the wiki page to set the status to “deprecated”. Many tags are not rendered because they are ambiguous (e.g. natural=fell) but that doesn’t mean they are deprecated. On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 9:34 AM Andy Townsend wrote: > On 03/05/2020 17:13, Joseph Eise

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Hello, Le 03.05.20 à 18:13, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > it is true that this tag (leisure=common)is ambiguous because it is > being used for totally different purposes in different countries. I think this argument is crucial. if more than one meaning exists for a tag, having a precise meaning fo

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 5/3/20 7:36 PM, Marc M. wrote: Le 03.05.20 à 18:13, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : it is true that this tag (leisure=common)is ambiguous because it is being used for totally different purposes in different countries. I think this argument is crucial. if more than one meaning exists for a tag, h

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

This has been a long thread so far. landuse=common, I have used it pretty much in Ghana and West Africa as well when an open space just didn't serve one purpose, neither a pitch nor park but can be used for both. This deprecation needs a second look. Best, Am So., 3. Mai 2020 um 18:55 Uhr schrieb

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 04:55, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Then, isn't it nice that leisure=common has been abandoned in it's former > British usage ? As far as I know, that was its only other usage - or is it > also used in other parts of the world ? > I don't know how they break up between leisur

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Le 03.05.20 à 20:54, Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit : > is it also used in other parts of the world ? the thread already all missuses all around the world. 2 in France : legal status https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/435015884 small area of grass between highway https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/232310