Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19 Feb 2017, at 08:18, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ? The later access tags could override the first? tags are not ordered, but the more specific rule wins over the generic rule. Overriding is contemplated in the access tagging cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-18 Thread Warin
On 19-Feb-17 02:24 PM, Tristan Anderson wrote: I think I see what the problem is and correct me if I'm wrong. Under the current tagging scheme the only way to tag a road that prohibits Kraftwagen would be something like... bus=no goods=no hgv=no moped=yes motorcar=no motorcycle=yes

Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-18 Thread Tristan Anderson
I think I see what the problem is and correct me if I'm wrong. Under the current tagging scheme the only way to tag a road that prohibits Kraftwagen would be something like... bus=no goods=no hgv=no moped=yes motorcar=no motorcycle=yes ...and probably several others Even though this

Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18 Feb 2017, at 22:36, Tristan Anderson > wrote: > > I don't see anything wrong with the hierarchy. It was mentioned that there > are signs in Germany that forbid motorcars to pass. Are you sure that these > signs aren't prohibiting all

Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-18 Thread Tristan Anderson
I don't see anything wrong with the hierarchy. It was mentioned that there are signs in Germany that forbid motorcars to pass. Are you sure that these signs aren't prohibiting all vehicles from passing? This may be the case even if there's a picture of a car on the sign. The motorcar key is

Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17 Feb 2017, at 21:40, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dictionary motor car: a vehicle, especially one for passengers, carrying its > own power generating and propelling mechanism for travel on ordinary roads Isn't this a motorbike or a bus ;-) ? Does it

Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-17 Thread Warin
On 18-Feb-17 12:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2017-02-17 12:26 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole >: Mistake #1: assuming that there is a vehicle class hierarchy (of any kind). well, that's what the wiki has in the sentence above the hierarchical

Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-02-17 12:26 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole : > Mistake #1: assuming that there is a vehicle class hierarchy (of any kind). > well, that's what the wiki has in the sentence above the hierarchical scheme (indentation): "This hierarchy is different in each country." It might be

Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-17 Thread Simon Poole
Mistake #1: assuming that there is a vehicle class hierarchy (of any kind). Typically law-makers see no reason to conform to computer science niceties when drafting regulations (rightly so) and will simply add or deduct vehicle properties in ways that make sense for the regulation in question

[Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Looking at the current state of access tag documentation: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access isn't "goods" a subclass of motorcar, rather than a parallel class of it's own? I came across this, because the Italian driving code has besides others these 2 classes (interestingly they