We've established:
1. There are all manner of vehicles that may have trouble getting
through the chicane
(bikes, trikes, tandems, trailers, wheelchairs, canoe trailers,
trail-a-bikes, land-rover baby strollers, etc.)
2. No simple geometry measurement determines what will fit (
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Hi Volker
Am 28.08.2013 18:43, schrieb Volker Schmidt:
> 1) the precision measurement of the barrier?
the mapper
> 2) the precision measurement of the bicycle?
the cyclist
Unfortunately this is the only real solution. All other solutions with
a s
And who is doing in your opinion:
1) the precision measurement of the barrier?
2) the precision measurement of the bicycle?
3) how does the routing work? You have to give it the paramaters of the
bike & trailer?
This is simply not practical. We need a more pragmatic approach
Volker
On 28 Augus
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It's depends on the geometry of the barrier.
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- - ... bar
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quiet easy, width between two poles is enough
2.
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you'll need the space to the left/right and the distance between the
two parts
3.
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Am 28.08.2013 13:21, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> 2013/8/28 Peter Wendorff
>
>> bicycle:trailer=no would say "it's not ALLOWED to cross this barrier
>> with a trailer" - and that is simple but wrong.
>>
>
>
> -1, as this is a new key it would probably not be defined to be an
> access-restrict
2013/8/28 John Sturdy
> Yes, even if you micromapped the whole geometry, it's hard to tell how
> large an object you can get through the restrictions --- see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_sofa_problem for an open
> mathematical problem related to chicanes!
>
You could solve it graphica
2013/8/28 Peter Wendorff
> bicycle:trailer=no would say "it's not ALLOWED to cross this barrier
> with a trailer" - and that is simple but wrong.
>
-1, as this is a new key it would probably not be defined to be an
access-restriction but to be the physical possibility. Simply don't put it
on th
In many cases (as shown on the web page) cycle barriers are not designed to
> make the rider dismount, just slow down. The bicycle=dismount should be
> used when there is an actual requirement to get off, such as a sign saying
> so or some steps.
>
> Here in Padova, Italy, these cycle barriers are
On 27/08/2013 19:36, Volker Schmidt wrote:
I am particularly interested in tagging cycling routes, including the
national long-distance cycling network Bicitalia in Italy.
In Italy cycle paths are frequently de facto blocked by chicane-type
bicycle barriers.
So my tagging is typically a node
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> BTW the barrier business is also of interest to wheelchair users
And push-chair / baby buggy users... so probably best not make the
tagging for such things cycle-specific.
__John
___
Tagging m
"bicycle:trailer=no would say "it's not ALLOWED to cross this barrier
with a trailer" - and that is simple but wrong."
You have a point there.
What I want ideally is the equivalent of "width" (which I can measure) and
not of "max_width" (which is written on an official road sign).
But on a cycle
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:58 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> One can tag the maximum width that can fit through, given zero length, and
> can tag the maximum length that can fit through, given zero width, but a
> trailer that has BOTH the maximum length and maximum width will not fit
> through. You
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
>> It's hard to set a value for them because they are depending on each
>> other. ;)
>
> bicycle:trailer=no might lead to bicycle:tandem=no, and a lot of
> really fuzzy tags of limited predictive value.
Another minority cycling group is triker
Am 28.08.2013 10:35, schrieb Volker Schmidt:
> Thanks for your useful comments, which essentially reflect the reasons for
> which I brought up the issue. Objective criteria are difficult to define.
> In particular max_width and max_length are useless because they are linked
> variables.
>
> Locall
Thanks for your useful comments, which essentially reflect the reasons for
which I brought up the issue. Objective criteria are difficult to define.
In particular max_width and max_length are useless because they are linked
variables.
Locally here things are relatively easy. Basically all of the b
One can tag the maximum width that can fit through, given zero length, and can
tag the maximum length that can fit through, given zero width, but a trailer
that has BOTH the maximum length and maximum width will not fit through. You
can't readily predict in advance whether a real-life trailer t
> It's hard to set a value for them because they are depending on each
> other. ;)
I mean tag the facility geometry, not the size of trailer that is judged to fit.
bicycle:trailer=no might lead to bicycle:tandem=no, and a lot of
really fuzzy tags of limited predictive value.
You can also tag some
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> Taginfo shows 8 uses of bicycle:trailer - this is certainly not a
> widespread use.
>
> Should I simply systematically use bicycle:trailer=no and hope that others
> follow? Or formulate a proposal and ask for votes? Any other ideas?
>
As
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It's hard to set a value for them because they are depending on each
other. ;)
Henning
Am 27.08.2013 21:52, schrieb Paul Johnson:
> maxlength and maxwidth for what will fit through the chicane.
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Il giorno 27/ago/2013, alle ore 20:36, Volker Schmidt ha
scritto:
> Should I simply systematically use bicycle:trailer=no and hope that others
> follow? Or formulate a proposal and ask for votes? Any other ideas?
I'd do both, but more for documentation, you don't have to start voting ;-) bu
maxlength and maxwidth for what will fit through the chicane.
On Aug 27, 2013 1:38 PM, "Volker Schmidt" wrote:
> I am particularly interested in tagging cycling routes, including the
> national long-distance cycling network Bicitalia in Italy.
>
> In Italy cycle paths are frequently de facto bloc
I am particularly interested in tagging cycling routes, including the
national long-distance cycling network Bicitalia in Italy.
In Italy cycle paths are frequently de facto blocked by chicane-type
bicycle barriers.
So my tagging is typically a node with
barrier=cycle_barrier
foot=yes
bicycle=dis
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