Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-30 Thread Mike Thompson
Here I diverge. If the hedgerow is an improtant part of the landscape then I'd map it .. even if it is not at your required level of 'accuracy'. Reason: it is the relationship between the objects on the map that is important rather than the absolute accuracy of any one object. +1

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-30 Thread Warin
On 31/01/2015 1:47 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: On 30/01/2015 14:12, St Niklaas wrote: From: François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com Since OSM editing tools aren't AutoCAD you can't be 100% precise on the geometry. Exactly so. Francois if you’re using JOSM you’re be able to work up till

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-30 Thread SomeoneElse
On 30/01/2015 14:12, St Niklaas wrote: From: François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com Since OSM editing tools aren't AutoCAD you can't be 100% precise on the geometry. Exactly so. Francois if you’re using JOSM you’re be able to work up till 0,06 - 0,04 =0,02 m accuracy No.

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-27 17:13 GMT+01:00 Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com: The way in OSM is only a (sometimes not precise) drawing of an existing feature and can be different from the reality. How precise is the value of the length tag? From what is the value derived? to make sense on ways, I'd

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread François Lacombe
2015-01-28 8:58 GMT+01:00 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: Does it ? I cant think of any application where this makes sense. A node does not have an orientation so why can it have a length? If it has a length it does not make sense to use a node. Flo Since OSM editing tools aren't AutoCAD you

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-28 8:58 GMT+01:00 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 04:18:57PM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote: 2015-01-27 16:13 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: I personally recommend to use the length key while mapping street cabinets as nodes.

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread François Lacombe
2015-01-28 9:14 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: I don't see why anyone would want to do it that way instead of simply drawing a box, but I accept the fact, that some users do, so it's fine for me. It's more precise to use tools like compass or meters to get the cabinet's (or

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 04:18:57PM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote: 2015-01-27 16:13 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: I personally recommend to use the length key while mapping street cabinets as nodes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-28 9:13 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: Some small features can actually be summarized as nodes when drawing their shape sounds irrelevant regarding the cluttering it introduces. I'm sorry that was trivial for me. I won't draw a circle for a 5cm diameter pole

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-28 Thread François Lacombe
I understand your point. Nevertheless, using a compass + indicating direction=* will be more precise and exact than drawing the box according to aerial pictures (often according where you think the box is) Same for length=* or any other physical properties. I've no problem with hardcore

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Warin
On 28/01/2015 3:26 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: E.g.: a 17-degree mapped mountain road or San Francisco street's will get its actual length a 5% bonus compared to its real-life counterpart. True, but such roads are not very common (17 degree ~= 30%). There are a few short streets in places like San

[Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Mike Thompson
I have noticed a length tag used on some linear ways [1]. It seems that this is redundant, as the length could be calculated from the geometry itself. It could also be the source of future errors should someone split the way, for example to add more detailed tagging, such as varying smoothness.

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-27 16:13 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: I personally recommend to use the length key while mapping street cabinets as nodes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet On a node it makes perfect sense. At least as long as it is not

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Michał Brzozowski
Just FYI, at OSM-PL people map highway milestones - as nodes near highways - which is less prone to error due to people editing geometry.. The map: http://osmapa.pl/konkursy/pikietaz/ Michał ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread fly
Am 27.01.2015 um 16:34 schrieb Martin Vonwald: 2015-01-27 16:26 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com mailto:fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: In my mind, a road climbing a mountain won't have the same length in reality than in the DB : the Z dimension may have influence too.

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Bryan Housel
I just did a quick search in iD. We display the “Length” field only on the Runway preset. (I think it does make sense there) Thanks, Bryan On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed a length tag used on some linear ways [1]. It seems that this

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-27 16:26 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: In my mind, a road climbing a mountain won't have the same length in reality than in the DB : the Z dimension may have influence too. Ok - understood. Although I doubt, that there is real usage for that example. But I had

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Yann Kacenelen
/2015 16:15 ( mailto:tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:13:17 +0100 From: François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] length= Message-ID: cag0ygldxgbc

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Mike Thompson
Thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts. I personally recommend to use the length key while mapping street cabinets as nodes. Agree, length makes sense on nodes The way in OSM is only a (sometimes not precise) drawing of an existing feature and can be different from the reality.

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread François Lacombe
2015-01-27 16:18 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com But on a way? Hm... Any real-world examples for me? To be more precise : OSM is based upon a 2D geospatial database. In my mind, a road climbing a mountain won't have the same length in reality than in the DB : the Z dimension may

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Mike Thompson
E.g.: a 17-degree mapped mountain road or San Francisco street's will get its actual length a 5% bonus compared to its real-life counterpart. True, but such roads are not very common (17 degree ~= 30%). There are a few short streets in places like San Francisco that are this steep. In these

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Quick note: for milestones, the tag used is distance, not length. There's a wiki page with all unit tags if you're into that sort of thing: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features/Units On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Just FYI, at OSM-PL

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Eric SIBERT
Le 27/01/2015 16:34, Martin Vonwald a écrit : Ok - understood. Although I doubt, that there is real usage for that example. But I had a quick look in overpass: besides aeroways it is quite often used on bridges and tunnels, where the actual (official) length can be observed. Makes sense.