Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-05-01 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 5/1/20 12:12 PM, John Willis via Tagging wrote: There is often overlap where I am where a wetland lives permanently in the bottom of a basin, and the surrounding area is a park or sports field. When there is a storm the basin fills up and wetland, pitch, and parking lot end up under 3m of wa

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-05-01 Thread John Willis via Tagging
If you are talking about a simple wetland you may find in a small pond or lake, It’s easy, but natural formations are often very messy and complicated - especially when a wetland covers an area larger than most villages. There is often overlap where I am where a wetland lives permanently in the

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> Vast areas of Australia are used to raise cattle, no tillage yet they are 'used' for farm land. And they are natural scrub... These areas are considered "rangeland" in North American English. I would not tag them as landuse=farmland, because they are only lightly touched by human intervention, i

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Warin
On 1/5/20 9:14 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 01:25, Florian Lohoff mailto:f...@zz.de>> wrote: I also do consider overlapping natural and landuses to be a bug, either its a natural=scrub or a landuse=farmland. It cant be both. Sorry, Florian, but why do you sa

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 01:25, Florian Lohoff wrote: I also do consider overlapping natural and landuses to be a bug, > either its a natural=scrub or a landuse=farmland. It cant be both. > Sorry, Florian, but why do you say that? I've seen a lot of farms with scrub on them! Thanks Graeme __

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Andy Townsend
On 30/04/2020 19:09, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 18:45, Andy Townsend via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: There are always going to be edge cases that aren't easy to categorise.  There's an area just up the road from where I am currently that started o

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 18:45, Andy Townsend via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: There are always going to be edge cases that aren't easy to categorise. > There's an area just up the road from where I am currently that started out > as https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/13866095 > That'

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Andy Townsend via Tagging
On 30/04/2020 16:29, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > wetland area within a forest where trees are growing also within the wetland area That’s a “swamp”: natural=wetland + wetland=swamp https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:wetland%3Dswamp ... or it might be seasonal or intermittent, depending on

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> wetland area within a forest where trees are growing also within the wetland area That’s a “swamp”: natural=wetland + wetland=swamp https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:wetland%3Dswamp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swamp#Differences_between_marshes_and_swamps _

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 04:36:31PM +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Consider a wetland that contains a water body. I'm used to map that as > natural=water inside natural=wetland - no multipolygon fanciness, just one > on top of the other. JOSM validator complains about it, which irks me, so I > op

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, I would create a multipolygon for that. Wetland is something different than a lake/pond. For wetland the wiki says, that wetland areas contain "characteristic vegetation that is adapted to its unique soil conditions" [0]. A lake obviously doesn't (at least no land-vegetation like grass and bu

[Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Consider a wetland that contains a water body. I'm used to map that as natural=water inside natural=wetland - no multipolygon fanciness, just one on top of the other. JOSM validator complains about it, which irks me, so I opened a ticket at https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19171 - where mdk