Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-14 Thread Arne Johannessen
Kytömaa Lauri wrote: Unfortunately that srtm data ends at 60° N: http://osm.org/go/0TORO-- Actually it ends at 61° N, with the last 1° block starting at 60° N. For some reason the cylce map no longer uses that last block. And it's eventually way too scarse. Right. -- Arne Johannessen

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-14 Thread Arne Johannessen
Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 11/8/2011 2:03 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: What I mean is that if the ridges can be auto-generated, they can be rendered without being in the database. They can't be auto-generated from gridded DEMs. Consider these

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-09 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
What data source are you suggesting that the renderer should use, if not the OSM database? The same one that the cycle map layer uses to draw contour lines. Unfortunately that srtm data ends at 60° N: http://osm.org/go/0TORO-- And it's eventually way too scarse.

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/11/7 Dmitri Lebedev siberia.acca...@gmail.com: Hello, this is the page with the proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ridge Just look at this picture:

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/11/8 John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com: I think it's easier to survey a ridge (either from aerials, or by walking along it with GPS) than to get enough altitude points to generate it automatically, so I think we should allow them to be entered as ways (which won't prevent renderers from

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-08 Thread Michael Krämer
2011/11/8 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com I am not sure for the wording though. Isn't this an edge? Maybe I am confused, because wikipedia told me that a ridge would be a natural feature (your proposal doesn't give any definition what a ridge is) occuring at a _chain of mountains_

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-08 Thread Andreas Labres
Martin, Ridge IMO closest means Kamm in German. eg. Nordkette north of Innsbruck http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inntalkette (German) - we should distinguish this from - a whole mountain range (das Gebirge in German) eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinernes_Meer

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/11/8 Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: Ridge IMO closest means Kamm in German. yes, I'd also see it like this. So how would you tag a de:Grat? natural=edge? - we should distinguish this from - a whole mountain range (das Gebirge in German) natural=range or mountain_range (Gebirge or

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-08 Thread Michael Krämer
Hi Martin, 2011/11/8 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Yes, that's unambigous, but what about this? Thanks, that's what I tried . 1 http://www.rainerundclaudia.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/20090419-Mit-Julia-u.-Alex-am-Karlsruher-Grat-0232.jpg 2

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/11/8 Michael Krämer ohr...@googlemail.com: I would consider both a ridge. But honestly my personal definition would be to the German Grat...:-) To give a negative example, here something I would not consider a ridge but either cliff or rock:

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-08 Thread Andreas Labres
On 08.11.11 16:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: So how would you tag a de:Grat? Don't know what the correct English phrase would be. Maybe the mountain guys @talk-at know... User fkv/0/ has done a lot of mountain edits, AFAICT. BTW, should also be discussed rendering-wise, comparing a cliff

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-08 Thread John F. Eldredge
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/7/2011 5:41 PM, Dmitri Lebedev wrote: Is a ridge something that can be auto-generated from good elevationdata? If so, probably only named ridges need to be mapped. I think it's ok to map unnamed ridges, just to show that some borders go

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-07 Thread Johan Jönsson
Dmitri Lebedev siberia.accanto@... writes: Hello, this is the page with the proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ridge There are peaks that can be tagged properly (although it's technically possible to deduct them with some accuracy from elevation maps), but

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 11/7/2011 5:41 PM, Dmitri Lebedev wrote: Is a ridge something that can be auto-generated from good elevationdata? If so, probably only named ridges need to be mapped. I think it's ok to map unnamed ridges, just to show that some borders go by them. Also, on a flat map without elevation

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-07 Thread John F. Eldredge
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/7/2011 5:41 PM, Dmitri Lebedev wrote: Is a ridge something that can be auto-generated from good elevationdata? If so, probably only named ridges need to be mapped. I think it's ok to map unnamed ridges, just to show that some borders

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 11/7/2011 10:11 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: If you don't have the longitude, latitude, and altitude of a sufficient number of points in the database, any calculated ridge-lines are likely to have little resemblance to reality. This isn't magic, you know. I know. The cycle map layer uses

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=ridge

2011-11-07 Thread John Sturdy
On 11/8/11, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: What I mean is that if the ridges can be auto-generated, they can be rendered without being in the database. If you don't have the longitude, latitude, and altitude of a sufficient number of points in the database, any calculated