Re: [GTALUG] For Chris: Commodore BASIC as a scripting language

2019-08-14 Thread Howard Gibson via talk
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:07:00 -0400 (EDT) "D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk" wrote: > | From: Stewart Russell via talk > > | This is not a place of honour:. > | > | https://github.com/mist64/cbmbasic > > This doesn't have the Waterloo BASIC extensions to Commodore BASIC. > Too bad. > --- I

Re: [GTALUG] For Chris: Commodore BASIC as a scripting language

2019-08-14 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson via talk
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, Chris F.A. Johnson via talk wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | From: Stewart Russell via talk | This is not a place of honour:. | | https://github.com/mist64/cbmbasic This doesn't have the Waterloo BASIC extensions to Commodore BASIC.

Re: [GTALUG] For Chris: Commodore BASIC as a scripting language

2019-08-14 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson via talk
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | From: Stewart Russell via talk | This is not a place of honour:. | | https://github.com/mist64/cbmbasic This doesn't have the Waterloo BASIC extensions to Commodore BASIC. Too bad. That was my first thought, too, although I used

Re: [GTALUG] For Chris: Commodore BASIC as a scripting language

2019-08-14 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-08-14 02:31 PM, Christopher Browne via talk wrote: > When one fellow in > the class was enough of an entitled twit (has anyone ever gained anything > from telling the class how high their IQ was???) his decks got > occasionally > defaced, or cards swapped.  Way back when I was learning

Re: [GTALUG] For Chris: Commodore BASIC as a scripting language

2019-08-14 Thread Christopher Browne via talk
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 13:33, James Knott via talk wrote: > On 2019-08-14 01:24 PM, Christopher Browne via talk wrote: > > Oh, the good times of doing matrix calculations in Grade 12 "Computer > > Science"... > > Back in my Gr 12 computer programming class, we learned Fortran and used > pencil

[GTALUG] Nvidia Backends

2019-08-14 Thread xerofoify via talk
Greetings, For anyone on the list who is interested it seems that there is a backend targeting or compiling for Nvidia cards for programming in LLVM/GCC. Seems that its mainlined but CUDA is still closed source. https://llvm.org/docs/NVPTXUsage.html https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/OpenACC Regards, Nick

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 12:26 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > On 2019-08-14 12:20 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: > > As a final thought, often the needs of the developing world are > > overlooked by our more developed societies. It could hardly be fair to > > to those comnunities, which have gone to

Re: [GTALUG] For Chris: Commodore BASIC as a scripting language

2019-08-14 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-08-14 01:24 PM, Christopher Browne via talk wrote: > Oh, the good times of doing matrix calculations in Grade 12 "Computer > Science"... Back in my Gr 12 computer programming class, we learned Fortran and used pencil mark cards for our programs.  The teacher would then take our cards down

Re: [GTALUG] For Chris: Commodore BASIC as a scripting language

2019-08-14 Thread Christopher Browne via talk
On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 22:18, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: > This is not a place of honour:. > > https://github.com/mist64/cbmbasic > > Go do some damage! > My first assumption had been that this wouldn't have any access out into the filesystem. Oh, my, given that it does allow opening

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: James Knott via talk | On 2019-08-14 12:20 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: | > all that equipment we | > juat sold you a few years ago is obsolete now, you will have to | > upgrade or lose service. | | Actually, in some ways the developing world is ahead of the game here.  | They didn't

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-08-14 12:20 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: > As a final thought, often the needs of the developing world are > overlooked by our more developed societies. It could hardly be fair to > to those comnunities, which have gone to the trouble and expense of > joining the connected world to say to

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 10:34 AM James Knott via talk, wrote: > On 2019-08-14 10:28 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > > I don't know the reason for this. > > The motive is to squeeze a bit more life out of IPv4, when they should > be putting the effort into moving to IPv6. IPv4 hasn't been

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 8/14/19 10:34 AM, James Knott via talk wrote: On 2019-08-14 10:28 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: I don't know the reason for this. The motive is to squeeze a bit more life out of IPv4, when they should be putting the effort into moving to IPv6.  IPv4 hasn't been adequate since it

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-08-14 10:28 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > I don't know the reason for this. The motive is to squeeze a bit more life out of IPv4, when they should be putting the effort into moving to IPv6.  IPv4 hasn't been adequate since it became necessary to use NAT to overcome the address

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: James Knott via talk | https://www.technotification.com/2019/08/linux-kernel-allows-0-0-0-0-8-as-a-valid-address-range.html I don't know the reason for this. I'm too lazy to look right now. But I do trust the proponents that were listed. Not that I always agree with them but their

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-08-14 10:07 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > I tried running up an IPV6 tunnel to Hurricane a few years back before > being on TSI and it borked my firewall/router. All you need is a router that supports DHCPv6-PD. > And for whatever reason it seems that all my clients fit into the >

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 8/14/19 9:56 AM, James Knott via talk wrote: On 2019-08-14 09:43 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: I am not sure that there is any grand conspiracy to avoid IPV6 or make bags of cash here. I see you're on Teksavvy.  Are you aware they have IPv6?  They've had it for years on ADSL, which is how

Re: [GTALUG] For Chris: Commodore BASIC as a scripting language

2019-08-14 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Stewart Russell via talk | This is not a place of honour:. | | https://github.com/mist64/cbmbasic This doesn't have the Waterloo BASIC extensions to Commodore BASIC. Too bad. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-08-14 09:43 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > I am not sure that there is any grand conspiracy to avoid IPV6 or make > bags of cash here. I see you're on Teksavvy.  Are you aware they have IPv6?  They've had it for years on ADSL, which is how you connect.  They also started providing it

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 8/14/19 9:15 AM, James Knott via talk wrote: On 2019-08-14 09:01 AM, Giles Orr wrote: Your sound logic aside, 0.0.0.0 represents a significant amount of cash to those who aren't letting IPv4 drop.  That economic interest will be enough to push it through against almost any resistance. There

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-08-14 09:01 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > Your sound logic aside, 0.0.0.0 represents a significant amount of > cash to those who aren't letting IPv4 drop.  That economic interest > will be enough to push it through against almost any resistance. There are now restrictions on handing out IPv4

Re: [GTALUG] Linux Kernel Allows 0.0.0.0/8 as a Valid Address Range

2019-08-14 Thread Giles Orr via talk
On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 17:23, James Knott via talk wrote: > IPv6 has been around for years. Why don't some people get with the > program, instead of coming up with hacks to get around the address > shortage. Even with this block, there still won't be enough IPv4 > addresses just for mobile