Re: [GTALUG] Fedora 38 is out

2023-04-22 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Dave Collier-Brown via talk | F and fgrep are historical accidents. I take it you mean the -F flag. | IMHO, the only reason they still | exist is bad practice from the v6 era, when we only had a 16-bit address | space. Actually, fgrep is useful because you don't need to ensure that

Re: [GTALUG] Fedora 38 is out

2023-04-22 Thread Dave Collier-Brown via talk
F and fgrep are historical accidents. IMHO, the only reason they still exist is bad practice from the v6 era, when we only had a 16-bit address space. The interface could be preserved forever: the implementation? Less so. --dave On 4/22/23 16:34, William Park via talk wrote: I don't know

Re: [GTALUG] Fedora 38 is out

2023-04-22 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 11:51:17AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > | From: Stewart C. Russell via talk > > | I hear that it ships with the latest GNU grep, which removes fgrep and > egrep. > | This could be considered a bad idea: > | https://mastodon.social/@cks/110232377928840323 >

Re: [GTALUG] Fedora 38 is out

2023-04-22 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 08:16:01PM +0200, Dhaval Giani via talk wrote: > I don’t know why you think so. There is a real cost to maintaining > software. Who is going to keep track of security issues? What about changes > to libraries you are linking to? Unless you are stepping up to maintain the >

Re: [GTALUG] Fedora 38 is out

2023-04-22 Thread William Park via talk
I don't know what's the issue. [ef]grep already is symlinked or shell scripts (exec grep -[EF] "$@"), and warning message is to stderr not stdout. On 2023-04-22 11:51, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | From: Stewart C. Russell via talk | I hear that it ships with the latest GNU grep,

Re: [GTALUG] Fedora 38 is out

2023-04-22 Thread Dhaval Giani via talk
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 23:55 Stewart Russell via talk wrote: > On Fri., Apr. 21, 2023, 14:13 BCLUG via talk, wrote: > >> >> >> I never, ever use fgrep or egrep and I think it's a bad idea. >> > > Well, that's me told. I've used fgrep since the days when regular grep on > a large file would

Re: [GTALUG] Fedora 38 is out

2023-04-22 Thread BCLUG via talk
Stewart Russell via talk wrote on 2023-04-21 14:55: I never, ever use fgrep or egrep and I think it's a bad idea. Well, that's me told. When I read your quote of my message, it occurred to me that I done messed up. What I meant to say was, "I don't use them, and I think it's a bad

Re: [GTALUG] Fedora 38 is out

2023-04-22 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Stewart C. Russell via talk | I hear that it ships with the latest GNU grep, which removes fgrep and egrep. | This could be considered a bad idea: | https://mastodon.social/@cks/110232377928840323 Ouch. Thanks for the heads-up. I hope that it gets fixed. Unlikely to be fixed by GNU,