Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread BAS
Hi tedd, I agree, getting the layout nailed down can be a problem. It seems that no matter how many content reviews, mock-ups and wireframes I do, most clients can never quite "get it" until they see an actual live site, so they usually end up being billed for post-launch changes. With a stati

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread BAS
Kristina, thanks for adding to Marc's advice. I'm putting everyone's feedback together so I can sort through it, organize it, and use is as a guide to try and work my way through this project with as few gotchas as possible. Though I'm no longer working freelance, I'll advise my employer that

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread tedd
At 5:38 PM -0400 3/27/08, BAS wrote: Hi Marc, Yes, I've got 11 years of experience with static sites and I've even done some simple custom CMS work, but I've never tried integrating an existing CMS package with a bunch of other stuff. My PHP skills are at the lower end of intermediate, so thi

Re: [nyphp-talk] best practice for detecting ip

2008-03-27 Thread Rob Marscher
On Mar 27, 2008, at 12:34 AM, Larry Ludwig wrote: On Mar 18, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Rob Marscher wrote: Hey everyone, Does someone know the best practice for detecting ip addresses with php/apache for use in reporting/metrics? I'm re-evaluating our code for detecting ips and I see it's built t

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread Kristina Anderson
Exactly. The operative words here being "unexpected client requests". No matter how thoroughly you spec things out and try to anticipate everything you will be spending a LOT of time dealing with client saying "OH, but I thought the site would do XYZ..." or "OH, but I thought that it would be

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread BAS
Hi Marc, Yes, I've got 11 years of experience with static sites and I've even done some simple custom CMS work, but I've never tried integrating an existing CMS package with a bunch of other stuff. My PHP skills are at the lower end of intermediate, so this is going to be a challenge & learni

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread André Pitanga
Marc Antony Vose wrote: You are going to make mistakes. Lots of them. And, you'll have situations where to get to problem x, you might need to go through steps a, b and c to get there, which takes time and is mind-numbingly boring. So, so true... when it comes to e-commerce, it has to wor

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread Marc Antony Vose
Hi: It sounded like in the beginning that you had some experience with a static site, and now you're going to build something that's dynamic and has a shopping component. If I had to pass along any advice about this in general, I'd say that actually sometimes templating things instead of

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread BAS
Thanks for the additional info & caveats, Jake. Looks like I've got a bit more searching & reading to do... Regards, Bev Jake McGraw wrote: Re payment gateways, It's my understanding that the handling of credit card transactions is done via the payment gateway's servers--i.e. if the client

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread Jake McGraw
> Re payment gateways, It's my understanding that the handling of credit > card transactions is done via the payment gateway's servers--i.e. if the > client has a merchant account (or pays for gateway services that provide > one for a fee), then all I need to be concerned with is that the > sh

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread BAS
André Pitanga wrote: I unfortunately made that mistake once when I was starting to freelance. It quickly got really bad... Now I don't miss an opportunity to pass on this warning to others in case it may save someone the headache. :-) I always try to pass along the warning too. When I was free

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread BAS
Jake McGraw wrote: Well it really depends... do you have experience doing any of this: 4. Find, install & configure shopping cart a. Product photos b. Product descriptions/details c. Pricing d. Shipping e. Tax f. Create/modify shopping cart templates? (Not sure if this has to be done

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread André Pitanga
I unfortunately made that mistake once when I was starting to freelance. It quickly got really bad... Now I don't miss an opportunity to pass on this warning to others in case it may save someone the headache. :-) BAS wrote: I never, ever worked without a contract when I was freelancing. Than

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread BAS
André Pitanga wrote: I noticed that on your numbered list you didn't repeat the need for a newsletter. That can take significant time as well. (I've been using POMMO as a mailing list manager at work and it's been great.) I would say add at least another 10 hours just for that. Good catch; th

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread Jake McGraw
Well it really depends... do you have experience doing any of this: 4. Find, install & configure shopping cart a. Product photos b. Product descriptions/details c. Pricing d. Shipping e. Tax f. Create/modify shopping cart templates? (Not sure if this has to be done or if the cart can u

Re: [nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread André Pitanga
I'll take a stab, BAS: I noticed that on your numbered list you didn't repeat the need for a newsletter. That can take significant time as well. (I've been using POMMO as a mailing list manager at work and it's been great.) I would say add at least another 10 hours just for that. I not sure

[nyphp-talk] CMS - Estimating Hours

2008-03-27 Thread BAS
Okay, I've got a very general estimating question here. Here are the basics: The focus of the site will be selling products to people with autistic children. I'm still waiting for an answer on how many products there will be in the beginning, so let's just say a dozen for now. The client wants to