Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: Serial communication in Mac OS X

2008-04-17 Thread Ben Sgro
Hey Corey, The robotics application I'm working on is a SRV1 from trossenrobotics. It's a really neat little device. I actually DONT use the serial stuff now that I have wifi working, I know use that to communicate w/the device. The RXTX link I provided has decent information on using the Jav

[nyphp-talk] Re: Serial communication in Mac OS X

2008-04-17 Thread Corey Fogarty
Hi Ben, Yup, tried sudo. I still get a hang... How complex would it be for me to implement the Java you are working on... I cant believe there isn¹t a Unix command line serial communication system that just accepts arguments and spews them across the serial port... Course I guess it isn¹t all tha

[nyphp-talk] Re: talk Digest, Vol 18, Issue 38

2008-04-17 Thread Corey Fogarty
Hi Ben, I would be very interested in talking with you. I am trying to move from a VB front end to my home built robotics application to something web driven and running on a Mac. I am just much more familiar with PHP then VB or Java. What type of robotics app are you working on? > Hello Cor

Re: [nyphp-talk] Serial communication in Mac OS X

2008-04-17 Thread Rolan Yang
Corey Fogarty wrote: Hi All, I am trying to connect to /dev/tty.USA28Xb2P1.1 which is a Keyspan USB to Serial adapter. I have had success using the screen utility, #screen /dev/tty.USA28Xb2P1.1 but I would like to use PHP to create a web interface to a microcontroller. Hi Cory, With wha

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: talk Digest, Vol 18, Issue 38

2008-04-17 Thread Ben Sgro
Hello Corey, Did you try running sudo Maybe you need root to write to serial... - Ben Corey Fogarty wrote: Hi again, I spoke with Keyspan and they assured me the USB to Serial device was working if I could use the Screen tool. I asked why I was unable to redirect stdin/stdout to and from

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
on 2008-04-17 16:32 Joseph Crawford said the following: I agree there are times it would probably be better to be in the office, however I am not a lone coder. I work with a team of 10 other developers. Generally there are 2-3 developers working together on a project. Working from home I sti

RE: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jason Scott
Well, I can safely say that not a day goes by without an ad hoc design debate springing up, and believe me when I tell you that the folks who are not here for it - well, they miss it. And when we do get home based employees on the phone, we deal with barking dogs, doorbells, screaming children,

[nyphp-talk] Re: talk Digest, Vol 18, Issue 38

2008-04-17 Thread Corey Fogarty
Hi again, I spoke with Keyspan and they assured me the USB to Serial device was working if I could use the Screen tool. I asked why I was unable to redirect stdin/stdout to and from the /dev/tty. device and was told there was no reason I shouldn¹t be able to do so. I have tried: #echo ³A² >

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Joseph Crawford
Jerry, I agree there are times it would probably be better to be in the office, however I am not a lone coder. I work with a team of 10 other developers. Generally there are 2-3 developers working together on a project. Working from home I still manage to collaborate with them just fin

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Tim Lieberman
Jason Scott wrote: As a single developer there isn't much of a reason. For a development team - needing to coordinate activities and debate designs on whiteboards - on site presence is required. Unless I were to spend lots of money on collaboration and video environments to facilitate a home-bas

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
on 2008-04-17 16:05 Joseph Crawford said the following: with the days of video conferencing i really do not see the point of going in-house for anything. My employer likes to bring me down here so i go with the flow. Well, that's very nice. But not every company *has* video conferencing. And

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Joseph Crawford
Jerry, with the days of video conferencing i really do not see the point of going in-house for anything. My employer likes to bring me down here so i go with the flow. Joseph Crawford On Apr 17, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: on 2008-04-17 15:46 Tim Lieberman said the followi

RE: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jason Scott
As a single developer there isn't much of a reason. For a development team - needing to coordinate activities and debate designs on whiteboards - on site presence is required. Unless I were to spend lots of money on collaboration and video environments to facilitate a home-based workplace. Pe

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Joseph Crawford
Tim, I completely agree with you. Although it does take a lot of self discipline to work from home. A lot of employers want to make sure you are getting the work done and not wasting time sitting at home doing nothing. I personally work from home while they fly me into the office every

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
on 2008-04-17 15:46 Tim Lieberman said the following: Why people insist on on-site work is a bit beyond me. If you're willing Because, well, sometimes hard and fast specs aren't available, and working face to face with someone allows better communication. It's as simple and as profound as th

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Tim Lieberman
Jerry B. Altzman wrote: on 2008-04-17 09:18 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following: This may have been mentioned already, but maybe the best people out there are independent? From just coming off of (and still trying to) hire PHP programmers, I have to say that a great many resumes and intervie

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Kristina Anderson
Dr Jerry u know I am svorn to neverrr reveal ze location of ze secret laborator ;) > on 2008-04-17 09:18 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following: > > This may have been mentioned already, but maybe the best people out > > there are independent? > > From just coming off of (and still trying to

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
on 2008-04-17 09:18 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following: This may have been mentioned already, but maybe the best people out there are independent? From just coming off of (and still trying to) hire PHP programmers, I have to say that a great many resumes and interviews I've had are with peo

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread Kristina Anderson
Hey Jake -- SUNY Albany (1985), here -- zero student loans!!! SUNY rocks! (Sorry for one line response but it was substantive! :) ) -- Kristina > > I know a lot of 20-somethings who need to make a huge payment every > > month on their student loans... They're under a lot of pressure to

RE: [nyphp-talk] (no subject)

2008-04-17 Thread paul
From: Jason Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Nope, I think MOST of you are full of sh*t. Unfortunately, such is the bell curve of li

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread Jake McGraw
> I know a lot of 20-somethings who need to make a huge payment every > month on their student loans... They're under a lot of pressure to get the > first job that's "good enough"... Taking the risk to find "something > better" could land them in default. As a very recent graduate (2006) I'

RE: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Hans Zaunere
A note on this thread in general: Please keep it clean and the one-line responses to a minimum, or take them off-list - there's too much traffic for posts that don't have real content. Hi Kristina, et al, Wow, what a thread... I remember a similar one years ago, and obviously these types of issu

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread paul
At 9:24 PM -0400 4/16/08, Christopher R. Merlo wrote: >So, anyway, I felt compelled to write, because I'm afraid that >people trying to choose whether to get a college education or not >might be misled into thinking it's something it's not. The service >we provide is not something you can get a

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread Kristina Anderson
Tedd -- That's the kind of gizmo that really could have freed up some time for me...I remember going through reams of carbon paper and tubs of whiteout and making just a huge mess and having to retype things at 3 AM...things that were already written out in two drafts on legal pads... Then aga

RE: [nyphp-talk] (no subject)

2008-04-17 Thread Jason Scott
Nope, I think MOST of you are full of sh*t. Unfortunately, such is the bell curve of life – 7 out of every ten people fall below the curve. Two of the three in the upper half are respectable. And then there’s the one. The one out of every ten who can outperform them all with his or her eyes clos

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread paul
I think the problem isn't just the social status of IT workers, but the social status of IT itself: http://advice.cio.com/why-it-sucks ___ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presen

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread tedd
At 9:24 PM -0400 4/16/08, Christopher R. Merlo wrote: So, anyway, I felt compelled to write, because I'm afraid that people trying to choose whether to get a college education or not might be misled into thinking it's something it's not. The service we provide is not something you can get anyw

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread tedd
At 9:40 AM -0700 4/16/08, Kristina Anderson wrote: Probably I would run into issues with licensing myself as my degree was in Literature & Linguistics (1985) ...and I used an old manual typewriter to do my research papers! LOL. --Kristina: I received my last degree in 1984 from Michigan State

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Kristina Anderson
Oh, I did read it. > I wish you would have read the fullness of my post. =D > > Kristina Anderson wrote: > > Oh I assure you that I'm not "angry or whiny" and am completely > > sincere, and also assure you that in NYC, secretaries DO make more than > > 46K...not sure why you found that "angry

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Webmaster
I wish you would have read the fullness of my post. =D Kristina Anderson wrote: Oh I assure you that I'm not "angry or whiny" and am completely sincere, and also assure you that in NYC, secretaries DO make more than 46K...not sure why you found that "angry or whiny", it's simply a fact.

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread tedd
At 12:31 PM -0400 4/16/08, Jim Hendricks wrote: Guess 24 years experience programming in all kinds of environments with 15 or so languages does not constitute a profession then based on your position that it requires a degree. I have no degree. I have very little formal training. Well... I

[nyphp-talk] (no subject)

2008-04-17 Thread -- rada --
To Jason @ InnovationAds.com Jason, from the tone of your email, you think we developers are full of sh*t. If I understand correctly, you can’t get a decent resume across your desk and you are frustrated and desperate to find people to work in “perhaps the best environment you’ve seen in NY”.

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Kristina Anderson
Oh I assure you that I'm not "angry or whiny" and am completely sincere, and also assure you that in NYC, secretaries DO make more than 46K...not sure why you found that "angry or whiny", it's simply a fact. > Let's be intellectually honest Kristina, > > It's hard to take your emails with a d

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Kristina Anderson
To clarify two things re: the below response: 1. I most definitely DO NOT WANT TO LEGISLATE pay scales for programmers (not even sure where anyone got the idea that I did!). I feel we need to improve the SOCIAL STATUS of the field, so that market rates increase in and of themselves. 2. I ca

RE: [nyphp-talk] Re: Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread paul
rada says: ...However, facts are facts - IT people make less than others when compared in terms of education and skills, and you did go a little bit Ayn Rand on us when you said that we should be looking to excel instead of complaining. I'd love to live in a world where working hard gets me a p

RE: [nyphp-talk] Re: Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jason Scott
Jake, Things are going very well, thanks. Growing like crazy, made some very exciting acquisitions, and building out some really nice new tools and features, have a whole new team made up of a bunch of great guys, and who are producing some very solid code and designs. It is nice to watch a tru

[nyphp-talk] Re: Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread -- rada --
Tom, As someone who grew up under a communist regime, I absolutely love your anti-protectionist attitude. However, I have a factual issue with what you said about IT salaries: Look at your market. The "big" consulting firms charge much more and pay their people much more. How co

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread David Krings
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I'm shocked that a CS MS would require anything outside of the field, that seems very odd to me. Maybe things have changed since the *cough, cough* years since I got my Bachelor's, but even when I was getting my Bachelor's (Mechanics and Materials Science, essen

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jake McGraw
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Biermann, Gary (02940) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Speaking from the side of the "Evil Ones", and having been one here in > Manhattan for a few years now, I would have to agree with Jake and Jason. > In the last 1.5 years even surprisingly average developers ar

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread Jake McGraw
For a great study in the ebbs and flows of an online conversation, check out: http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/000633.html - jake ___ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations O

[nyphp-talk] Re: Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Biermann, Gary (02940)
Speaking from the side of the "Evil Ones", and having been one here in Manhattan for a few years now, I would have to agree with Jake and Jason. In the last 1.5 years even surprisingly average developers are getting multiple offers with in a week of being on the market and most of them are using m

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread Webmaster
OK OK, STOP giving Peter LSD guys... :P Peter Sawczynec wrote: Think of the quickly growing popularity of tags on the internet which show graphically the (expected and often unexpected) relationships between ideas and concepts in the results of a topic search. Or think of the movie Cube (also

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Webmaster
*looks around nervously* I'm not insane... I'm not insane! :P csnyder wrote: This is a tough industry. You are writing software for an openly hostile environment (the internet), using a grab-bag of hashed-up "standards", that has to look good and work right on at least 3 different platforms

RE: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jason Scott
Yes, but maybe the best opportunities are not available to independents? Just a thought Jason Scott | Chief Information Officer 233 Broadway, 21st Floor, New York, NY 10279 Ph: 212.509.5218 ext 226 | Fax: 866-797-0971 HYPERLINK "http://www.innovationads.com"; \ninnovationads.com

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jake McGraw
> No sane engineer would actually choose to be a web developer. Save for the fact that this is where a majority of the growth in software engineering has been happening for the past 8 years. Despite all the whining and moaning, this is where IT is at! During my last job search, LAMP developers w

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread SyAD
This may have been mentioned already, but maybe the best people out there are independent? Steve In a message dated 4/17/2008 7:38:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, so with all this talk, and everyone wanting to make some money, why can't I get a decent resume acr

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread SyAD
Good point Keith (BTW, hi - I met you at DCPHP BS last month) -- if you're over 40 hours/week, then it's time to increase the rate incrementally on the next few bids. But if you're under 40hrs/week (or whatever hours you seek), then you may have to reduce the rate. Supply and demand. Stev

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Webmaster
Let's be intellectually honest Kristina, It's hard to take your emails with a dose of sincerity, when your scholarship seems random and a result of passion. Phrases like "Secretaries make more than this" and posting what you "feel" is the average income for a particular profession (without cit

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread SyAD
David, I'm shocked that a CS MS would require anything outside of the field, that seems very odd to me. Maybe things have changed since the *cough, cough* years since I got my Bachelor's, but even when I was getting my Bachelor's (Mechanics and Materials Science, essentially Mechanical Engine

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread csnyder
This is a tough industry. You are writing software for an openly hostile environment (the internet), using a grab-bag of hashed-up "standards", that has to look good and work right on at least 3 different platforms (MSIE, Gecko, and WebKit). On top of all that, unless you work as a cog in the whe

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Urb LeJeune
chair if you know what they were paid for a one page (but very interactive) site. You have to ask yourself why they are getting it and you are not. Basic economics. The output of a "big company" is more desirable, for a variety of reasons, that the output of an independent contractor.

RE: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread Peter Sawczynec
Think of the quickly growing popularity of tags on the internet which show graphically the (expected and often unexpected) relationships between ideas and concepts in the results of a topic search. Or think of the movie Cube (also Cube 2, Cube 3) which is essentially about some mathematical const

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-17 Thread Urb LeJeune
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RE: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jason Scott
And Jake McGraw, we've never met, but IA is not the same company you worked at in the past. Please know that. Better yet, why don't you come on by and see for youself? :-) I'd love to finally meet you in person, and ask you a few questions about why the heck certain things are the way they are

RE: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Jason Scott
Ok, so with all this talk, and everyone wanting to make some money, why can't I get a decent resume across my desk?! I am offering - imo - perhaps the best and most challenging work environment I've seen since I got to NY, and the only people who are handing me decent resumes are recruiters who

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-17 Thread Brian D.
"I want to be a programmer. I just want to get paid what my skills are WORTH as a programmer." As a hobby economist I have to respond to this one. :D It sounds to me like you'd like to legislate what you're worth. That approach causes even more problems than it solves because it means a lot of p