Re: [OSM-talk] Legal discussion on talk@

2010-08-15 Thread Lester Caine
80n wrote: Please move this discussion to legal-talk. BUT ... the discussion on adding a weekly summary of legal-talk HERE should happen HERE. I can't be bothered with all of the back biting, but a sensible coverage of the salient point DOES make sense and one post a week ... which other int

Re: [OSM-talk] BDFL & Moderation

2010-08-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/11 SteveC : > Specifically, I point to the basics of mailing list etiquette: ... >        • No conspiracy theories ... could this be amended by "unless there is a real conspiracy"? Otherwise our hands might be tied in case there is a conspiracy. cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] BDFL & Moderation

2010-08-15 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >• No conspiracy theories > ... > > could this be amended by "unless there is a real conspiracy"? > Otherwise our hands might be tied in case there is a conspiracy. "no conspiracy theories" seems clear. A real conspiracy is not a theory. "conspiracy theorie

Re: [OSM-talk] POI collector

2010-08-15 Thread Patrick Weber
Yes force close here as welll on HTC Desire 2.2 2010/8/15 Jeffrey Ollie : > 2010/8/14 Paweł Niechoda : >> >> wikipage: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mobile_POI_collector#Mobile_POI_Collector >> Here you can download apk file for android versions (tested on android >> 2.1): http://code.google.

Re: [OSM-talk] POI collector

2010-08-15 Thread Ciprian Talaba
Works on my HTC Magic with Cyanogen 4.2, but it's quite slow and keeps refreshing the map. There are some replacements for MapView that are using OSM, did you tried them? --Ciprian On Aug 15, 2010 2:56 PM, "Patrick Weber" wrote: Yes force close here as welll on HTC Desire 2.2 2010/8/15 Jeffrey

Re: [OSM-talk] BDFL & Moderation

2010-08-15 Thread John F. Eldredge
However, should someone uncover a real conspiracy, any attempt to reveal it to others would be discussion of a conspiracy theory, and therefore forbidden. "Theory" does not mean "nonexistent"; the fact that the theory of gravity exists does not mean that gravity does not exist. -- John F. Eld

[OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-15 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
Hi! For a long time now I am interested in tagging seamarks.(short version) Now I found out that there are two comparable but different and competing tagging schemes: * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/marine-tagging * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lights_Data_Model

[OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Jonas Stein
there are many empty nodes in the osm database. In the IRC channel i was told, that there are users who paint empty nodes in the map to mark things like "road is not mapped, but continues here" Is there already a decision about dealing with empty nodes? I think we should discuss that on this lis

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Hello Le dimanche 15 août 2010 à 23:42, Jonas Stein a écrit : > Validators claim empty nodes are defective, but are they right? > Is painting with empty nodes data that we want to have in the database? > Are there any empty nodes that make sense, or is a empty always node > nonsense? I'd say the v

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Toby Murray
Yeah, I would tend to agree that empty nodes should be regarded as errors. That is how I spotted a problematic changeset the other day that really needed reverting. I know OSM emphasizes distributed tagging/usage but an empty node has absolutely no value to anyone except (maybe) the person who crea

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Stephen Hope
On 16 August 2010 07:42, Jonas Stein wrote: > Are there any empty nodes that make sense, or is a empty always node nonsense? The only thing I can think of , is that when I upload a way, the nodes go first, then the way joins them all up. Is it possible for somebody else to get the data while I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/16 Renaud MICHEL : >> Are there any empty nodes that make sense, or is a empty always node >> nonsense? > > I'd say the validators are right, because a node that is neither part of a > way, nor part of a relation, and has no tags is simply useless: we have no > idea why it sits there. +1,

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Renaud MICHEL-2 wrote: > > Hello > Le dimanche 15 août 2010 à 23:42, Jonas Stein a écrit : >> Validators claim empty nodes are defective, but are they right? >> Is painting with empty nodes data that we want to have in the database? >> Are there any empty nodes that make sense, or is a empty alw

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Simon Biber
On Mon, 16 August, 2010 9:36:50 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > There's still such a bug: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2700 This often happens to me in Potlatch. Here's my usual use case. An intersection of two streets needs to be converted to a roundabout. 1. Split each street at the in

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Lennard
On 16-8-2010 1:41, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: +1, at least if they are older than some days/weeks. If someone is doing a very big upload it might be (dependant on the way he structures the upload) that he is first uploading nodes and only later the ways. That's why I wouldn't delete recently cre

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap updating?

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Bennett
Thanks for the update and all the hard work. Steve On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Andy Allan wrote: > Yeah, the existing server is pretty much kaput - it's completely > overloaded. Many parts of the map haven't been re-rendered since the > start of July. It's been in a sorry state for a few mo

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Jonas Stein wrote: > there are many empty nodes in the osm database. > > In the IRC channel i was told, that there are users who paint > empty nodes in the map to mark things like > "road is not mapped, but continues here" Personally, I delete them. If people want

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Jonas Stein wrote: In the IRC channel i was told, that there are users who paint empty nodes in the map to mark things like "road is not mapped, but continues here" I do this occasionally, and I'm sure I haven't made this up but got the practice from someone/somewhere else - when a way is

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Renaud MICHEL wrote: > Maybe most of those empty nodes are remnants from some time ago, when some > editors would delete a way, but not the nodes it contained (I think there > used to be such a bug, even before I started contributing to OSM). Empty nodes can also

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should w e use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Maarten Deen
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:19:42 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Jonas Stein wrote: >> In the IRC channel i was told, that there are users who paint >> empty nodes in the map to mark things like >> "road is not mapped, but continues here" > > I do this occasionally, and I'm sure I haven't made