[OSM-talk] Flash cookies

2011-06-21 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
I discovered that openstreetmap.org stores (flash) cookies on our computers. Since recently was decided that in NL cookies are subject to explicit permission of the users, I'd think that Openstreetmap provides information on what information and settings are actually used by OSM. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-21 Thread Cartinus
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 02:46:30 Steve Bennett wrote: > but > people aren't suddenly going to become more attentive to mailing lists If they can't be bothered to read the mailinglists, can they please also refrain from posting to them. -- m.v.g., Cartinus

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Cartinus wrote: > 1. How many people are too incompetent to understand the initial announcement. One thing you can generally say about communication is that when communication fails, blaming the receiving party gets you nowhere. If an ad campaign fails, you don't

Re: [OSM-talk] What is ad hominem and bad faith

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:50 PM, TimSC wrote: > Thanks for responding. I moved this to a different thread as it is getting > on to a new topic. I tried to sort the conversation in to chronological > order so we can see the relevant parts. How about we move it to the bin. There's plenty of materia

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 22:49 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Just like we have a tagging list for tagging-specific discussions. So if someone decided to change every highway=track into highway=unclassified or decided to mass-change aerodrome into airport, would that be an issue for tagging (since it

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Thread Mike Dupont
HI, I am not a lawyer, but if you are creating a file for your private use and not distributing it, then I would say you have no real restrictions on what you can do. mike On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:13 PM, ThomasB wrote: > Hi, > > i have a practical questions. If I want to generate a Garmin map

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Thread Richard Weait
re-routing from talk@ On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM, ThomasB wrote: > Hi, > > i have a practical questions. If I want to generate a Garmin map for a > larger country and want to add contour lines, it is impossible to merge the > data only in the RAM. Hence a local temporary file is needed which

[OSM-talk] Leaflet 0.2 released

2011-06-21 Thread Vladimir Agafonkin
Hi! After one month of active development since the first public release, Leaflet, a new JavaScript library for interactive maps by CloudMade, recently reached version 0.2. Highlights of this release include: - WMS layers support - GeoJSON support - different projections support (with EPSG:432

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
ThomasB wrote: > And what do you think a laywer will say when asked > when the community using the license has no idea? The community has a perfectly good idea, as indeed you would do if you actually read the licence. ;) Under ODbL you are "publicly using" a Produced Work from a Derived Database

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Thread ThomasB
Frederik Ramm wrote: > > I'm relatively sure that 99.5% of readers of this talk list will never > create a Garmin map with SOTM contours, > I guess your mean SRTM. Anyway, I am relativly sure that more than 0.5% of the readers here USE maps with contours lines. And this only the OSM community.

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, ThomasB wrote: I can not accept this answer, Frederik. [...] I don't want to talk with lawyers on legal. Legal has one or two lawyers, plus a lot of ordinary mappers like you and me who think about about legal matters. The list exists not to entertain lawyers but simply to separate t

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Thread ThomasB
I can not accept this answer, Frederik. Generating a Garmin map with contour lines is not something special. I guess all programs that generate such maps for larger areas need local temp files. And now there is no answer available? What is with all these Garmin Maps? If a local temp file would cons

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, ThomasB wrote: Is this temporary file a "Derivative Database" with all legal requirements? We have a specalist mailing list, legal-talk, to discuss these matters. However, in this particular question you are unlikely to find a firm answer, given that the question whether temporary files

[OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Thread ThomasB
Hi, i have a practical questions. If I want to generate a Garmin map for a larger country and want to add contour lines, it is impossible to merge the data only in the RAM. Hence a local temporary file is needed which would contain both, OSM and SRTM data. This temporary file would be deleted afte

[OSM-talk] MapQuest Open Flash Maps API just released!

2011-06-21 Thread deb t
We're happy to announce the latest improvement to the MapQuest Flash Maps API – now in support of the MapQuest Open Initiative! This latest release is called Open Flash Maps API, and is very similar to the standard MapQuest Flash Maps API except it relies solely on open data. It includes support o

[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] overwhelmed with responses on the imagery priorities

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Coast
whoops meant to go to talk... Original Message Subject:[Talk-us] overwhelmed with responses on the imagery priorities Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:26:16 -0700 From: Steve Coast To: talk-us I had tons of emails in response to my request for ideas of where we cou

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-21 Thread Cartinus
On Tuesday 21 June 2011 10:30:06 Ulf Lamping wrote: > I've read the whole thread now and have some lessons learned: > > 1. You don't have to wear a suit to be incompetent I am mainly amazed by two other things: 1. How many people are too incompetent to understand the initial announcement. 2. How

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-21 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
>You do realize that there are thousands of people reading this list, from >all around the world? Please contact LWG in private or at least move to >legal-talk@, where all trolls go. Thank you. Legal-talk = troll ?? : this guy/gall *is* funny !! Gert Gremmen ---

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-21 Thread Ilya Zverev
TimSC, > Your definition of ad hominem is slightly wrong. An ad hominem is always > against the author of the argument being criticised. An attack on a > third party (e.g. my mother) would be merely an insult and can never be > ad hominem. You do realize that there are thousands of people rea

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-21 Thread Matthias Julius
Michael Collinson schrieb: >The link looks good. I'll make sure any future license change related >stuff goes here as well as our normal "announce" mailings. For me the preferred and most natural way of receiving announcements is the announce mailing list. Announcements on talk might get dro

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-21 Thread Michael Collinson
On 20/06/2011 19:18, Jason Cunningham wrote: I think using the word "pitiful" goes a bit far, but it got the intended response. As someone who spends little time reading through the mailing list I would expected this important step to be very well publicised, and that does not appear to be th

Re: [OSM-talk] What is ad hominem and bad faith

2011-06-21 Thread TimSC
On 6/20/2011 8:03 AM, TimSC wrote: It would be nice if the committee would be aware of this long standing problems and as[k] for help from the community too. We have considerable human resources in the community and if people are over worked, perhaps they should delegate more? Also, it can b

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-21 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 20.06.2011 09:09, schrieb NopMap: I don't know how you feel, but for me it is very hard to remain supportive of the matter in the face of such consequent incompetence handling it. I've read the whole thread now and have some lessons learned: 1. You don't have to wear a suit to be incompeten

Re: [OSM-talk] Japan KSJ2 Import

2011-06-21 Thread woll
The MLIT 'import' is an on-going process. User:Tatata wrote some scripts, and others are using those scripts to do the imports bit-by-bit. As Brad wrote, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Japan_KSJ2_Import links to info that should show what has been imported and by whom. -- V

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/21/2011 12:49 AM, SteveC wrote: I only said +1 for a start, Which means "I agree with the quoted post". ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk