Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry

2011-09-15 Thread John F. Eldredge
Ian Sergeant wrote: > I said: > > > Training and skills acquisition before undertaking complex tasks is > > a fairly commonplace activity in our society. > > Gert Gremmen" wrote on 15/09/2011 04:50:11 PM: > > > No but the difference between Stalinism and OSM is that we do not > *oblige* >

Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry

2011-09-15 Thread Ian Sergeant
I said: > Training and skills acquisition before undertaking complex tasks is > a fairly commonplace activity in our society. Gert Gremmen" wrote on 15/09/2011 04:50:11 PM: > No but the difference between Stalinism and OSM is that we do not *oblige* > people to follow a training process. Ea

Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry

2011-09-15 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
You lost me here, definitely ... ;<(( -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Richard Weait [mailto:rich...@weait.com] Verzonden: donderdag 15 september 2011 20:55 Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry I'm glad that you both agree so closely. Paraphrasing Frederi

Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry

2011-09-15 Thread Richard Weait
I'm glad that you both agree so closely. Paraphrasing Frederik, "Not all barriers are bad." Paraphrasing Serge, "Not all barriers are good." [removed many analogies] I'd like to see needless barriers to understanding and using OpenStreetMap reduced or removed. I think that we have done that pr

Re: [OSM-talk] Unclosed Mapnik bugs

2011-09-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
btw.: there is no license information shown for the mapnik stylesheet (at least I couldn't find it). What is the license of the style in case someone wanted to fork it? cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] satellite Imagery missing

2011-09-15 Thread Gregory
On 15 September 2011 13:37, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 15/09/11 13:05, Douglas Musaazi wrote: > > On Saturday 10th September 2011, we held a mapping day event at Uganda >> Christian University Mukono in Uganda, where we spread the idea of >> mapping and updating the Open Street World map as part of

Re: [OSM-talk] satellite Imagery missing

2011-09-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/15 Douglas Musaazi : > On Saturday 10th September 2011, we held a mapping day event at Uganda > Christian University Mukono in Uganda, where we spread the idea of mapping > and updating the Open Street World map as part of the mapping Uganda > Initiative at pamoya (http://www.pamoya.com/node

Re: [OSM-talk] satellite Imagery missing

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Hughes
On 15/09/11 13:05, Douglas Musaazi wrote: On Saturday 10th September 2011, we held a mapping day event at Uganda Christian University Mukono in Uganda, where we spread the idea of mapping and updating the Open Street World map as part of the mapping Uganda Initiative at pamoya (http://www.pamoya

[OSM-talk] satellite Imagery missing

2011-09-15 Thread Douglas Musaazi
Hi..? On Saturday 10th September 2011, we held a mapping day event at Uganda Christian University Mukono in Uganda, where we spread the idea of mapping and updating the Open Street World map as part of the mapping Uganda Initiative at pamoya (http://www.pamoya.com/node/13275), however, the sate

Re: [OSM-talk] Unclosed Mapnik bugs

2011-09-15 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Josh Doe wrote: > I think part of the problem is the high barrier to entry for editing > the Mapnik style. I've made 1 commit to the main stylesheet and while it was technically straightforward, the understanding of the community of people who work on it wasn't. B

Re: [OSM-talk] Unclosed Mapnik bugs

2011-09-15 Thread Josh Doe
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Jonathan Waller wrote: > This clearly shows that we don't have enough people working on the mapnik > component, which since it is the primary rendering for openstreetmap.org is > a bad situation.  It is also off-putting for bug reporters since it takes a > bit of e

Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry

2011-09-15 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. I don't think that would help - at least as you miss the distinction between data and information. (Especially) for beginners the problem isn't the reliability of the information they have (most beginners do not start armchair-mapping, at least not without introduction of others, I think),

[OSM-talk] Unclosed Mapnik bugs

2011-09-15 Thread Jonathan Waller
Hi, I have been looking at the Mapnik bugs in trac and there are far too many unclosed and unacknowledged bugs. In the last 4 months there have been 55 bugs reported and 5 have been closed. For the 20 most recent bugs 2 have been closed (one without contact with a mapnik dev), 1 was reopene

Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry

2011-09-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/15/2011 2:07 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: [snip] Is there a reason you send messages with font size=2? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry

2011-09-15 Thread Kay Drangmeister
Hi, If a novice wants to start with JOSM , so be it, but we want him to be attracted to something he understands right now and prefer that before understanding the power of a real editor. A simple idea: Why can't a user give (for each edit, but default being preferencable) the level of confide