Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Colin, it is a very common fallacy in OSM to claim that out of some sense of fairness, the fact that there is already some data in OSM that violates some rules (e.g. boundaries being in OSM even though hardly verifiable on the ground) is an automatic enabler of any and all other content

[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2015-08-13

2015-08-16 Thread Dave Hansen
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@

Re: [OSM-talk] Best base to build on ...

2015-08-16 Thread Lester Caine
On 16/08/15 01:46, Paul Norman wrote: On 8/15/2015 2:09 PM, Lester Caine wrote: The simple answer seems to be that there is no standard when it comes to mapping applications and everybody creates their own personal special such as kosmtik rather than working with established standards:(

[Talk-bf] from: Ilyasse Kabor\u00e9

2015-08-16 Thread Ilyasse Kabor\u00e9
http://james-gould.com/however.php?Ilyasse_Kabor_u00e9 Ilyasse Kabor\u00e9 Sent from my iPhone___ Talk-bf mailing list Talk-bf@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-bf

Re: [OSM-talk] Best base to build on ...

2015-08-16 Thread Lester Caine
On 16/08/15 12:16, Christopher Baines wrote: The obvious question is that given tilemill is not longer being maintained, what are the preferred alternatives? I'm actually not happy with the way OSRM has moved and there does not seem to be a 'standard' for the support structure? Could you

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-16 Thread Greg Troxel
moltonel molto...@gmail.com writes: This is a perfect example of the confusion around landuse=forest vs natural=wood. Size and density ? Managed ? Named ? Usage type ? The curent osm data is a mix of all these criterias an more; at this stage it is hopeless for the consumer to extract more

Re: [OSM-talk] Best base to build on ...

2015-08-16 Thread Christopher Baines
On 15/08/15 16:14, Lester Caine wrote: Not getting much help on the GB list so I thought I'd widen the question. A couple of years back I had my own server setup working with a base of OSRM and routing covering the UK. While the map server is still working, routing has packed up and some of

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees

2015-08-16 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 15/08/2015 21:42, Lester Caine wrote: My quick fix for any new rendering is simply to switch off 'farmland' so that the tree blocks it masks actually display. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/245442613 is an example of the problem, as are the adjacent areas to the right, while to the left

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2015-08-16 15:27 GMT+02:00 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com: landuse=forest does not imply the area is completely tree covered. Note that in typical usage it means exactly this. Maybe original intention was for that tag was to mean something else - but it is not changing how it is used by most

[Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

2015-08-16 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi all, Given that paths and footways are now rendered the same way in the default OSM style I wonder whether it is time to look at how the map can provide better information. For rural mappers tagging a path/footway as unpaved surface results in it having less prominence on the map. As most

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees

2015-08-16 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 15/08/2015 20:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ... And then there are areas where actually trees grow, sometimes in a forest and sometimes elsewhere. That's where landcover trees seems appropriate for me. Maybe a diary entry explaining your point of view on this in detail would help

Re: [OSM-talk] Best base to build on ...

2015-08-16 Thread Christopher Baines
On 16/08/15 12:52, Lester Caine wrote: On 16/08/15 12:16, Christopher Baines wrote: The obvious question is that given tilemill is not longer being maintained, what are the preferred alternatives? I'm actually not happy with the way OSRM has moved and there does not seem to be a 'standard'

Re: [Talk-cz] Čištění turistických tras v OSM - fotky ukazatelů

2015-08-16 Thread Zdeněk Pražák
Tak jsem chtěl nahrát několik fotek turistických rozcestníků z mého výletu Z Lázní Bělohrad do Bílé Třemešné na uvedenou stránku http://old. openstreetmap.cz/ Kliknu na vložit obrázek rozcestníku, vyberu fotografii, zaškrtnu data exif a dám nahrát, objeví se hláška - nepodařilo se zjistit

Re: [OSM-talk] Best base to build on ...

2015-08-16 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 16/08/2015 01:46, Paul Norman wrote: ... The problem with Tilemill is that is is abandoned, and includes in-program text editing, which adds significant complexity to the codebase, and this text editing does not function with large complex styles. FWIW I've always used TileMill with an

Re: [Talk-cz] Čištění turistických tras v OSM - fotky ukazatelů

2015-08-16 Thread Michal Grézl
Posli mi jednu na otestovani.Mozna tam je taky nekde chybka jak se zmenilo hostname, podivam se na to. 2015-08-16 16:46 GMT+02:00 Zdeněk Pražák zpra...@seznam.cz: Tak jsem chtěl nahrát několik fotek turistických rozcestníků z mého výletu Z Lázní Bělohrad do Bílé Třemešné na uvedenou stránku

Re: [OSM-talk] Best base to build on ...

2015-08-16 Thread Lester Caine
On 16/08/15 16:30, Christopher Baines wrote: One of the reasons why I asked is that OSRM recently was packaged for Debian [1], which I am hoping will help with working towards making it easier to setup and run. I've dropped back to suse 13.1 again just to get something working, but even that

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: What everybody can see is a clearing or change in the surface of something. That's fine to map. Inferring from that that there must have been a railway there is a step too far. We are mappers, not trappers. Ok, let's try an experiment. Go to

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 16.08.2015 um 22:11 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: What everybody can see is a clearing or change in the surface of something. That's fine to map. Inferring from that that there must have been a railway there is a step too far. We are mappers, not

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release

2015-08-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
To make it more clear - this issue is open therefore fixing it is considered as a good idea and it is planned. See comments on https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1604 for more details. As always - preparing a tested PR is a good way to change things. Waiting for others to

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-16 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 16/08/2015, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: What everybody can see is a clearing or change in the surface of something. That's fine to map. Inferring from that that there must have been a railway there is a step too far. We are mappers, not trappers.

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-16 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 16/08/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: it really depends, this is an example for an abandoned railway where reading the traces is quite easy, and which is tagged (IMHO correctly) as abandoned railway in osm:

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I am not aware about values that should be used in that case. 2015-08-16 20:58 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2015-08-16 19:00 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Note that in typical usage it means exactly this. Maybe original intention was for that

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release

2015-08-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
This issue is tracked as https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1604 2015-08-16 23:42 GMT+02:00 Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com: OpenStreetMap Carto 2.33.0 has been released. This release focuses on cartographic style improvements, but the release notes also include

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Warin writes: On 16/08/2015 1:35 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: Seriously? THIS is your line of reasoning? There's a simple way to empower them: If it's got TIGER tags and you don't see it, delete it. TIGER tags? Don't they only occur in one area of the world? Rather a small view of

[Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-16 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, The new rendering of forests broke cases where a lake is inside a forest and the lake is not mapped as an inner section of the surrounding forest polygon. I posted this issue in the carto issue tracker: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1754 But after some

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

2015-08-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/16/2015 1:57 PM, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: Until I provided a counter-example there, the only example on https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/747 was of a well-mapped central European city. If there is evaluation of the results in both rural and urban settings in

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-08-16 11:03 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Data that is not verifiable on the ground is the absolute *exception* in OSM, and needs a very strong reason for being there. this thread as far as I have understood is not about things that have disappeared without any traces but

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

2015-08-16 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 16 August 2015 at 21:06, ajt1...@gmail.com ajt1...@gmail.com That makes some sense, but OSM-Carto's biggest problem is that a number of the changes over the last year have been dedicated to making well-mapped central European urban areas look nice at the expense of the rest of the planet.

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

2015-08-16 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 16 August 2015 at 22:57, ajt1...@gmail.com ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: Until I provided a counter-example there, the only example on https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/747 was of a well-mapped central European city. If there is evaluation of the results in both rural and

[Talk-GB] Derby (Nottingham) pub meeting, Tuesday 18th Aug 19:30

2015-08-16 Thread SK53
A reminder that we will be in Derby for the pub meeting this month. We will be trying a new venue: The Old Silk Mill. (There were lots of other attractive suggestions, but juggling distance from bus station, football matches etc. led me to his one). If it is not to everyone's taste we can try one

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees

2015-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-08-16 16:19 GMT+02:00 ajt1...@gmail.com ajt1...@gmail.com: what meaning you think natural=wood and landuse=forest have? Pictures you've taken of the areas would be really helpful too. did you actually read what I have written above? Are there any specific parts that weren't clear that

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees

2015-08-16 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 16/08/2015 21:27, Lester Caine wrote: The tree areas that are within the farmland area are NOT now farmland and probably never were Can you point to a tree area within farmland? I couldn't see one when I had a quick look. It's slightly confusing because the multipolygon is pulling the

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-08-16 19:00 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Note that in typical usage it means exactly this. Maybe original intention was for that tag was to mean something else - but it is not changing how it is used by most mappers. which landuse is good for an area where trees

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

2015-08-16 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 16/08/2015 22:04, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 16 August 2015 at 22:57, ajt1...@gmail.com ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: Until I provided a counter-example there, the only example on https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/747 was of a well-mapped central European city. If there

Re: [Talk-GB] UK/GB OpenStreetMap survey results

2015-08-16 Thread Paul Bivand
As this has dropped off the active thread list a bit. I'd broadly agree with this, though I'm more corporate sponsors than members. My feeling on responding with a greater emphasis on community rather than techy stuff was that those OSM discussions I've been to (mapping parties in Gravesend,

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

2015-08-16 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 16/08/2015 18:26, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi all, Given that paths and footways are now rendered the same way in the default OSM style I wonder whether it is time to look at how the map can provide better information. For rural mappers tagging a path/footway as unpaved surface results in

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

2015-08-16 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 16/08/2015 21:20, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 16 August 2015 at 21:06, ajt1...@gmail.com ajt1...@gmail.com That makes some sense, but OSM-Carto's biggest problem is that a number of the changes over the last year have been dedicated to making well-mapped central European urban areas look

Re: [OSM-ja] 国立公園 (national_park) の編集について

2015-08-16 Thread Satoshi IIDA
いいだです。 遅くなってしまいましたが、変更セットへのコメントを行っています。 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33048672 2015年8月11日 9:22 Satoshi IIDA nyamp...@gmail.com: いいだです。 ありがとうございます。 ライセンス互換性、個別の許可の取得 なるほど、個別の許諾交渉というのはひとつの手かもしれませんね。 環境省生物多様性センターさんに知り合いはいないので、 正面からあたってみるしかないかんじですが、、、

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Richard Fairhurst writes: Frederik Ramm wrote: Inferring from that that there must have been a railway there is a step too far. We are mappers, not trappers. Tell me again you can't infer there must have been a railway there. I dare you. I double dare you. Nobody is asking