Re: [OSM-talk] Could we just pause any wikidata edits for a month or two?

2017-10-17 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Lester, I agree with you that Wikidata should not contain an object for everything that OSM may have. I don't believe there should be an entry for every McDonalds on the planet, or for every artist's work that someone may decide to include in OSM. But that's up to Wikidata contributors. Lets ins

Re: [OSM-talk] DWG survey on organised editing

2017-10-17 Thread john whelan
Probably what we could do with is a set of guidelines for people organising mapping groups. This is not policy so much as best practices. Could this be done before we thrash out a policy? Thanks John On 17 Oct 2017 8:27 pm, "Frederik Ramm" wrote: > Hi, > > the results are in! > > https://wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] DWG survey on organised editing

2017-10-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, the results are in! https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group/Results_of_Organised_Editing_Survey_2017 Thank you everyone who participated. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

Re: [OSM-talk] Publishing bot code. GPL or AGPL?

2017-10-17 Thread Safwat Halaby
Thank you everyone for the very informative replies. I've decided to use GPLv3. (And I think the difference between it and MIT is negligible in practice for this particular use case) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-17 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Rory, I agree with you - there are always corner cases. And while we concentrate on the geographical aspect (e.g. "somewhere there might be a large territory where the tags mean different thing"), the corner case can actually exist in our own neighborhood, simply because our neighbor understood s

Re: [OSM-talk] Publishing bot code. GPL or AGPL?

2017-10-17 Thread Kathleen Lu
Hi Safwat, I thought about your hypothetical, and if someone was using a personally modified bot for personal use, the AGPL does not impose different conditions than GPL ("if you modify the Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users interacting with it remotely..." doesn't app

Re: [OSM-talk] Publishing bot code. GPL or AGPL?

2017-10-17 Thread James
You could always release it under Mozilla Public License 2.0 and that explicitely requires people to offer source code. On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > 2017-10-17 13:27 GMT-03:00 Safwat Halaby : > > I understand that GPLv3 has a loophole in which someone could modify >

Re: [OSM-talk] Publishing bot code. GPL or AGPL?

2017-10-17 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
2017-10-17 13:27 GMT-03:00 Safwat Halaby : > I understand that GPLv3 has a loophole in which someone could modify > your GPL-licensed code, and then run it on a server which offers some > service. Since a service is being sent over the wire, and not the > executable itself, then they can keep their

[OSM-talk] Publishing bot code. GPL or AGPL?

2017-10-17 Thread Safwat Halaby
I understand that GPLv3 has a loophole in which someone could modify your GPL-licensed code, and then run it on a server which offers some service. Since a service is being sent over the wire, and not the executable itself, then they can keep their modified code private. AGPL prevents this loophole

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-17 Thread Rory McCann
On 16/10/17 19:49, Tobias Zwick wrote: Except that's not true. In Ireland "handball" is Gaelic Handball¹ which is a one-on-one game, not a team sport (which is apparently a different thing²). There are some sport=handball's tagged in Ireland. Now the tag is clearly wrong, and we need to figur

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 17.10.2017 10:32, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > The thing is - we have been discussing hypothetical issues so far, not > the real ones. Users have been blocked and edits reverted for indiscriminately applying JOSM's autofixer to large swaths of data. But those who do that are usually aware that

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-17 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Polyglot, I don't think there is a substantial **real** problem in JOSM with the autofixes. And yes, I have worked with JOSM devs and was impressed at the speed of response. The thing is - we have been discussing hypothetical issues so far, not the real ones. And hypothetically, allowing a simp

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-17 Thread Jo
If there would be real problems with autofixes in JOSM, it's easy to report those as a bugs or enhancement requests. JOSM's issue tracker may be antiquated, but it does work and JOSM's developers are very responsive. If JOSM users who apply these auto fixes would worsen the data, then they would g

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-17 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Well, you kind of can fix one with the other - by introducing a better tool and disabling some of the autofixes in JOSM (very easy to do). A more complex approach would clearly require a separate topic(s) and a substantial dev involvement. P.S. No, https://master.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ doesn

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-17 Thread Tobias Zwick
> compromise between the two, how about I disable the "embed edit".  If > the query is executed from a link, without the query editor mode, users > can only view results.  But in the power mode, the users can still use > the tool to write a query they need, test and edit things as they need.  >  So

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-17 Thread Andy Townsend
On 17/10/2017 08:29, Tobias Zwick wrote: Does the dev API have real (=mirrored) data? It has whatever data you add to it.  I've used it in the past to demonstrate a "different way of mapping something" by copying everything from live to dev in a small area and then making the changes in that

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-17 Thread Tobias Zwick
I get your point, especially regarding the appliance of the JOSM fix-button as a "by-the-way" fixing. Though, you can't fix possible issues with of one tool by introducing another tool. People will not stop using (that feature of) JOSM. That is why I think, if you think you detected a problematic

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-10-17 Thread Tobias Zwick
>> Anyway, generally, with everyone raising the alarm about this tool, it >> would be a friendly gesture to either take the tool offline for now or >> set it to read-only mode > > Or have it run on the dev API. Does the dev API have real (=mirrored) data?