Hi Gerry and friends,Fundamentally the argument for OpenStreetMap as a most sustainable solution rests in the licence to re-use the spatial data. For example with #MapLesotho the main pre-occupation of the analysis (after 5 years of mapping everything) was to demonstrate the unsustainable, anti-urb
On 25/02/2020 23:39, Alan Mackie wrote:
Vector tiles that prefer either the browser's requested languages or
something selectable would be ideal, but we aren't there yet technically
for the main 'editors map'. When we are it might be worthwhile
revisiting this discussion.
There are complaints
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/81476133
On 25/02/2020 19:22, Alan Mackie wrote:
The labels would probably need to be tied together into a relation to
avoid this
sorry, I considered as if this was always already the case.
Gulf of Venice and Gulf of Trieste are both already relations.
>
> placing a localized version of the name tag in front of the
>
corresponding language area is still an option I support. Red Sea would
> be a nice test-bed, just like the Ostsee.
>
The problem I see with this is that it violates the 'one feature one
element' principle. The labels would probabl
On 25/02/2020 18:39, Alan Mackie wrote:
so long as there won't be an edit war over precedence. Languages
separated by "/" or similar.
OSM in Morocco uses the `-` (dash) as separator. (they have two and
locally three national languages)
I'll try this for the Gulf of Venice and Trieste, and s
Names with one, two or three languages where there are a limited number of
neighbours/occupants seems logical so long as there won't be an edit war
over precedence. Languages separated by "/" or similar. More languages than
that seems too unwieldy which rules out its use even for some 'relatively
s
I'm afraid that the conclusion you summarize here is not at all reached.
we have reached the conclusion on the pointless point: "we discuss in
English".
as for the values of the `name` tag:
I prefer to see "Adriatic Sea" rather than nothing.
I prefer "Mare Adriatico" to "Adriatic Sea".
I de
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:33 PM Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote:
> On 25.02.20 15:36, Tomek wrote:
> > Everyone uses the same learning
> > costs when using Esperanto, they do not have the privileged ones.
>
> I'd assume that the cost argument doesn't hold, it's going to be more
> easy for Europeans th
I do it whilst riding my bike now.
#PlanetSaved
On Tue., Feb. 25, 2020, 3:49 p.m. Brad Neuhauser,
wrote:
> Maybe stretching, but what about Google driving cars around constantly to
> capture Street View images and road/POI data? Ideally, a lot of OSM data is
> gathered by people who are already
W dniu 20-02-25 o 21:52, stevea pisze:
> I believe I speak for many, most, or even all of us here (except Tomek) that
> "this is a settled matter."
> SteveA
>
Sprawa rozwiązana, każdy mówi w jakim języku chce, a znacznik “name” z
obiektów międzynarodowych zostanie usunięty, z wyjątkiem mórz
granic
I believe I speak for many, most, or even all of us here (except Tomek) that
"this is a settled matter."
SteveA
> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Tomek wrote:
>
> W dniu 20-02-25 o 19:57, Maarten Deen pisze:
>> You are forcing (or are trying to) me and a lot of others to learn
>> Esperanto. That
I would not say this is true. Google maps has routing for walking, cycling,
and public transit, and their public transit information is probably more
complete than OSM's.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 11:25 AM Philip Barnes wrote:
> OSM includes walking and cycling infrastructure thus promoting and
>
Maybe stretching, but what about Google driving cars around constantly to
capture Street View images and road/POI data? Ideally, a lot of OSM data is
gathered by people who are already in the area.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 1:25 PM Philip Barnes wrote:
> OSM includes walking and cycling infrastruc
W dniu 20-02-25 o 19:57, Maarten Deen pisze:
> You are forcing (or are trying to) me and a lot of others to learn
> Esperanto. That's just the same. More people speak English than
> Esperanto. Then what is the more logical choice?
Esperanto estas pli logika por internacia komunikado pro ĝia neŭtrec
On 25/02/2020 14:46, stevea wrote:
Evidently there is more to say about this
my impression at the moment is that we have different expectations from
"the" map, that's the tiles at
https://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/11/1100/731.png and similar URLs.
is their purpose "showcasing the OSM databas
On Feb 25, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Mario Frasca wrote:
>
> On 25/02/2020 14:22, stevea wrote:
>> as an emerging (emerged?) consensus we seem to be leaving the names of
>> international objects in English
>
> I wish to express my disagreement.
>
> and I will give more examples, from openstreetmap.or
On 25/02/2020 14:22, stevea wrote:
as an emerging (emerged?) consensus we seem to be leaving the names of
international objects in English
I wish to express my disagreement.
and I will give more examples, from openstreetmap.org, "the" map.
Gulf of Venice; Gulf of Trieste; unlabelled Mare Adr
OSM includes walking and cycling infrastructure thus promoting and enabling
sustainable travel options.
Gmaps is primarily a road map.
Phil (trigpoint)
On Tuesday, 25 February 2020, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:
> There are many reasons to use OSM over Google Maps but
> "environmentally f
This discussion is tedious and exhausting. We've paid out miles and miles of
patient listening to Tomek's points, politely (and unanimously) disagreed with
him, yet still, he persists in thrusting his polemic upon a communication
channel intended to discuss open source mapping of a particular l
25 Feb 2020, 19:15 by to...@disroot.org:
> W dniu 20-02-25 o 18:43, Mateusz Konieczny via talk pisze:
>
>
>> Yes, and for pragmatic reasons we use English.
>>
>> We are not using Esperanto, because unlike
>> English nearly noone is capable of communicating in it.
>
> Almost no one can learn E
On 2020-02-25 19:15, Tomek wrote:
W dniu 20-02-25 o 18:43, Mateusz Konieczny via talk pisze:
PS: given the choice, I'd probably rather learn Klingon than
Esperanto,
that might give me better chances to find someone I could talk to in
that language after all I assume, esp. in the tech/geek sec
This discussion is hopeless, and 90% off topic.
The only outcome of discussing languages here is that the status quo of using
an English name for oceans remains. Given the amount of words spent off of this
matter, this status quo is slowly reaching consensus, keep on!
Yves ___
right, looks like we keep focusing on the pointless point.
On 25/02/2020 09:36, Tomek wrote:
Esperanto is a better choice because it takes much less time to learn
it than to learn English.
I doubt this. you don't need Shakespeare or Chaucer for technical
English communication. just use a pi
W dniu 20-02-25 o 18:43, Mateusz Konieczny via talk pisze:
> Yes, and for pragmatic reasons we use English.
>
> We are not using Esperanto, because unlike
> English nearly noone is capable of communicating in it.
>
> We are using English here primarily because
> OSM was started in England,
> and th
There’s Incubus, from the 60’s with William Shatner in the main role. According
to myth, that is what made Gene Roddenberry decide it would be a horrible
desicion to make Star Trek in Esperanto.
/Andreas
Skickat från min iPhone
> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 18:06 skrev Tomek :
>
___
25 Feb 2020, 18:03 by to...@disroot.org:
> W dniu 20-02-25 o 16:29, Maarten Deen pisze:
>
>
>> I don't think so.
>> The common language on this list is English, as the common language on
>> talk-nl is Dutch and on talk-pl is Polish. Why don't I go to talk-pl
>> and complain
On 25.02.20 18:03, Tomek wrote:
W dniu 20-02-25 o 16:26, Hartmut Holzgraefe pisze:
In a former company I worked for we had a clear "The burden shall
be on the writer, not the readers" principle. As the number of
readers is usually much larger then the number of writers (typically
one) of a messa
W dniu 20-02-25 o 16:29, Maarten Deen pisze:
> I don't think so.
> The common language on this list is English, as the common language on
> talk-nl is Dutch and on talk-pl is Polish. Why don't I go to talk-pl
> and complain I'm being oppressed because everyone is not using a
> language I can unders
On 2020-02-25 15:36, Tomek wrote:
Since you don't want to put in the effort of putting the text in the
translator, maybe it's best to unsubscribe from this list?
I don't think so.
The common language on this list is English, as the common language on
talk-nl is Dutch and on talk-pl is Polish
On 25.02.20 15:36, Tomek wrote:
> Everyone uses the same learning
> costs when using Esperanto, they do not have the privileged ones.
I'd assume that the cost argument doesn't hold, it's going to be more
easy for Europeans than for e.g. Chinese or Japanese. It starts with
the letters used, which
W dniu 20-02-24 o 02:05, Mario Frasca pisze:
> se proprio insisti a non voler scrivere in Inglese, usa il Francese o
> il Tedesco, cioè un'altra lingua internazionale riconosciuta
> dall'Unione Europea, Unione di cui fa parte anche la Polonia, o
> adattati a che ciascuno ti risponda nella lingua ch
There are many reasons to use OSM over Google Maps but
"environmentally friendly" seems to not be one of them.
One may try some very indirect things, like that Google Maps
is primarily a place to display ads, therefore pushing consumerism,
therefore environmentally unfriendly but...
Maybe "OSM da
Hi,
We have a few candidates already, but we could use some more!
Note that we've been getting some reactions of the sort: "I can't be on the
Committee, because I want to apply myself", or my friend wants to apply. It
is awesome that you would want to avoid conflict of interest at all costs.
But
Hi,
I will be giving a series of talks this year at An Event Apart
(https://aneventapart.com/). The talk title is "World Wide Waste," and will
examine the impact digital is having on the environment and proposes ways
digital can be more environmentally friendly. I'd like to propose
OpenStreetMap a
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