Re: [Talk-transit] Public transport validator+generator from Maps.Me

2019-05-29 Thread Stephen Sprunk
This is great! Can you expand it to modes besides subway? S > On May 29, 2019, at 10:35, Alexey Zakharenkov via Talk-transit > wrote: > > Hello everybody! > > I'm a part of team who worries about public transport status in OSM database, > especially rapid transit transport. I want to

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-06 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 2019-05-03 12:09, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: On 30/04/2019 18:34, Stephen Sprunk wrote: A platform is where people wait to board; if they stand at a pole (typical for buses), then the pole is logically the platform. This reinforces my point about misappropriation of tags. A platform

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-04-30 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 2019-04-30 05:50, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: On 29/04/2019 19:39, Markus wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 17:18, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Part of what seems to have started the PTv2 mess is that bus stops were sometimes mapped on the way and sometimes beside the way, and both cases were

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-04-29 Thread Stephen Sprunk
. If an entrance serves a subset of platforms (i.e. you might have to leave and re-enter via a different door to change trains), then it might make sense in a stop area, but otherwise, it's just part of the station. S -- Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything CCIE

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-04-29 Thread Stephen Sprunk
mode-neutral tags (probably so routers would work regardless of mode) when mode-specific tags already existed. Is public_transport=platform required at all on bus stops? As with railways, use existing tags. Agreed. S -- Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everythi

Re: [Talk-transit] Line colour, text colour and background colour

2019-04-29 Thread Stephen Sprunk
y:colour > > Thanks in advance! > Héctor > ___ > Talk-transit mailing list > Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything C

Re: [Talk-transit] Defining service on railway=tram

2019-02-17 Thread Stephen Sprunk
The current four service values are based on physical characteristics of the track that are easily observed on the ground and unlikely to change.This proposal seems to overload that with an indication of how the track is used, and we already have a tag for that: usage. Granted, none of its

Re: [Talk-transit] New wiki article about network-relations: please review section about public transport

2018-09-10 Thread Stephen Sprunk
by mail.de [1] - MEHR SICHERHEIT, SERIOSITÄT UND KOMFORT > ___ > Talk-transit mailing list > Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know

Re: [Talk-transit] Revisiting the use of ref in bus stops

2018-08-17 Thread Stephen Sprunk
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Re: [Talk-transit] Proposal for simplification of mapping public transport

2018-04-16 Thread Stephen Sprunk
t;> >> ___ >> Talk-transit mailing list >> Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit [1] > > ___ > Talk-transit mailing list > Talk-trans

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposal for simplification of mapping public transport

2018-04-16 Thread Stephen Sprunk
nodes or prohibiting new ways/areas in the future. If the current spec says they must be ways/areas, then propose making nodes allowed too; I thought that was already the case, but if not, I would support fixing that. S -- Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything

Re: [Talk-transit] Uploading public transport data on OSM

2018-01-19 Thread Stephen Sprunk
...@gmail.com] Sent: fredag 19. januar 2018 04.12 To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Uploading public transport data on OSM On 19/01/18 01:32, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Agreed; ref:gtfs just won't work, and ref:OPER probably would. I had always thought that ref was the public

Re: [Talk-transit] Uploading public transport data on OSM

2018-01-18 Thread Stephen Sprunk
ce the ref tag a few years ago, already. > > Polyglot > > 2018-01-16 22:07 GMT+01:00 Stephen Sprunk <step...@sprunk.org>: > >> AFAIK, the operator ID is only guaranteed to be unique within a single GTFS >> feed, but it's reasonably safe to assume they'll also be uniq

Re: [Talk-transit] Uploading public transport data on OSM

2018-01-16 Thread Stephen Sprunk
for a region? > > Adding a ref:gtfs tag would not be very hard to do, but I would prefer a > scheme with ref:OPERATOR, because some stops may be served by multiple > operators and thus be present in multiple GTFS feeds. > > Polyglot > > 2018-01-16 21:07 GMT+01:00 Stephen S

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Stephen Sprunk
FS data into OSM and/or match the two together, rather than OSM data into GTFS. Since GTFS already has ID numbers for each entity and OSM is free tagging, the former are fairly straightforward, whereas the (current) policy of not putting schedule data in OSM makes that latte

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-26 Thread Stephen Sprunk
elp with routes going against one way traffic flows. It's called PT_assistant. I'm happy to help test if it provides functionality that's useful. S -- Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything CCIE #3723 are a great annoyance to those

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-22 Thread Stephen Sprunk
stop positions. I've been trying to figure out what to do on that front myself; so far I've simply left everything but the station itself unnamed because otherwise the current rendering output is unusable except at the highest zoom levels. And that's for far simpler cases than what you describe,

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-22 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 2016-06-21 15:12, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Stephen Sprunk <step...@sprunk.org> wrote: I found a couple transit-specific apps, but they refuse to work until I'm within some minimum distance of a stop. ... RideSystems (and yes, I'm calling them out on this,

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-21 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 2016-06-21 00:27, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Stephen Sprunk <step...@sprunk.org> wrote: On 2016-06-20 16:18, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Stephen Sprunk <step...@sprunk.org> wrote: The situation with GTFS data itself is so bad

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-20 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 2016-06-20 16:18, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Stephen Sprunk <step...@sprunk.org> wrote: On 2016-06-20 02:07, Roland Olbricht wrote: There had been a group that was very vocal for making a textbook example of design by committee, and the result is now

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-20 Thread Stephen Sprunk
tested. We need an algorithm to do the right thing in 95% or better 99% of all places around the world. Of course. Transmodel tries to be right 100% of the time, but that means ridiculous complexity; GTFS isn't right quite as often, but it seems to be good enough for the vast majority of places and