Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-03-02 Thread James Livingston
On 28/02/2009, at 3:38 PM, Jim Croft wrote: Putting words into their mouths, I think the argument would be that the decision-making involved in selection, storage, management and display of these fact is indeed a creative act, even though the facts themselves aren't. A blank screen magically

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-03-02 Thread Ian Sergeant
James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote on 03/03/2009 12:46:58 PM: Copying someone's beautifully drawn map of Sydney is obviously not allowed. However the location of the Sydney Opera House is a fact and so not copyrightable, and the location and name of Paramatta Road, and so on. While I can't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-03-01 Thread OJ W
What's the purpose of S5.0 (disclaimer of moral rights), especially since the plain meaning of that section appears to differ from the 'attribution' element of the current license (not that I think attribution is a great idea with so many contributors, but some bulk-data donors include attribution

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-28 Thread Nick Hocking
I started reading the ODbL licence but in the preamble it stated that this licence only covers the database itself and not the contents of the database. I stopped reading at this point since I am only interested in the contents of the database and have minimal interest is the database itself.

[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Grant Slater
The OSMF License Working Group is excited and pleased to announce the completion of legal drafting and review by our legal counsel of the new proposed license, the Open Database License Agreement (ODbL). The working group have put much effort in to inputting OSMs needs and supporting the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Viernes, 27 de Febrero de 2009, andrzej zaborowski escribió: What I don't understand very clearly (and would appreciate a clarification) is the license says that ODbL applies to the database and not to the data in it, and that data in one databse can be covered by multiple licenses. What

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Liz
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Grant Slater wrote: The OSMF License Working Group is excited and pleased to announce the completion of legal drafting and review by our legal counsel of the new proposed license, the Open Database License Agreement (ODbL). The working group have put much effort in to

[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Peter Miller
On 27 Feb 2009, at 10:09, Grant Slater wrote: The OSMF License Working Group is excited and pleased to announce the completion of legal drafting and review by our legal counsel of the new proposed license, the Open Database License Agreement (ODbL). Thank you for your work to date;

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Mike Collinson
The suggestions re the Use Case page all sound good. Looking at the wiki history page, I assume but cannot absolutely guarentee that review has been made of the version extant 19th Jan (there were then no edits for a month). I've grabbed a copy of that page and will insert the review comments

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Grant Slater openstreet...@... writes: The OSMF License Working Group is excited and pleased to announce the completion of legal drafting and review by our legal counsel of the new proposed license, the Open Database License Agreement (ODbL). I am sure that this is going to be fun. Legal

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread OJ W
1: Are we going to contact the suppliers of large donated datasets to find their opinions on the new license? Or will the person who did the upload of their data just have to tick I agree on their behalf when they next log-in after the change? 2: For imported datasets where we checked

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Peter Miller
On 27 Feb 2009, at 13:05, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Grant Slater openstreet...@... writes: The OSMF License Working Group is excited and pleased to announce the completion of legal drafting and review by our legal counsel of the new proposed license, the Open Database License Agreement

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Peter Miller
On 27 Feb 2009, at 13:40, OJ W wrote: 1: Are we going to contact the suppliers of large donated datasets to find their opinions on the new license? Or will the person who did the upload of their data just have to tick I agree on their behalf when they next log-in after the change? 2: For

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread OJ W
Given that the purpose of this license is to allow use, copying, modifying, and redistribution, why is it phrased as only allowing you to Use the database, and then redefining Use in a different section to mean copying, modifying, and redistribution? Shouldn't the first paragraph of S3.1 be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Rob Myers
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Philipp Klaus Krause
It's sad to see OSM add to the pile of incompatible share-alike licenses, making it more and more impossible to create free works derived from more than one already existing free work. While I have to accept, that you do not want to go with a more PD or BSD-like license, I would have at least

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Rob Myers
Philipp Klaus Krause wrote: It's sad to see OSM add to the pile of incompatible share-alike licenses, making it more and more impossible to create free works derived from more than one already existing free work. While I have to accept, that you do not want to go with a more PD or BSD-like

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, andrzej zaborowski wrote: What license would our data be under? Would it be under no license because it's factual data that cannot be copyrighted? Grant wrote: OSMFs legal counsel also recommends the use of the Factual Information License

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Liz
Important news from legal-talk -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-t...@openstreetmap.org The OSMF License

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread James Livingston
On 28/02/2009, at 12:17 PM, Jim Croft wrote: Out of curiosity, would one of the Creative Commons (http://creativecommons.org/) licenses be able to provide thefunctionality and the flexibility we might need? Basically, no - what is why the Open Database Licence is being worked on.

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure

2009-02-27 Thread Jim Croft
interesting... In another life (the one that pays the bills) I work with a team, several in fact, that collects and manages biodiversity 'facts' (hundreds of millions of them: this species of plant or animal was found here, then, etc. - hence the lurking fascination with OSM). This large national