Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-22 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I'm happy with wikipedia PD as well. The Sunburned Surveyor On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm happy with that. Thankyou :) > > -J > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Kari Pihkala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I counted the votes for PD "license" so

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Back to square 1. :] Is public domain really this hard? The Sunburned Surveyor On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sunburned Surveyor wrote: >> Nothing is ever as simple as you hope. :] >> >> Joseph wrote: "

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Rob Myers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > Nothing is ever as simple as you hope. :] > > Joseph wrote: "I don't think its that big a deal - we could just say > "if you edit a > node, your edits are also under the same PD license as the node is > currently under" or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I have no problem avoiding the moral rights quagmire. I think simplicity is one of the reasons to move to PD in the first place. I don't think it would be a problem to use the wikipedia public domain license now, and then consider a future move to something like the CC Zero. I would strongly reco

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Joseph Gentle wrote: > Can we get a vague show of hands about what people think of this? I > don't think its worth discussing for more than a day or so. If this > issue is too contentious, we can let contributors decide with an > option on their user page or something. +1 wikipedia version If yo

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
"Perhaps PD is not as simple as it seems at first sight." True. But its got to be simpler than viral share-alike. :] The Sunburned Surveyor On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:12 PM, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Jordan S Hatcher > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On p

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: > Perhaps PD is not as simple as it seems at first sight. The thing that is simple about PD is what contributors want - they simply want to make the data available to anyone, forever, without restrictions of any kind, full stop. You will not find a single use case where one PD a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread 80n
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Jordan S Hatcher < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On picking a PD dedication/licence: > > On 16 Oct 2008, at 20:08, Kari Pihkala wrote: > > I created a wiki page for the public domain map, have a look at > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Public_Domain_Map .

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread 80n
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Peter Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >What does OSM Foundation think about the PD repository? Would it make > sense > >to host both licences under the name OpenStreetMap or would it be > >confusing? How much OSMF wants to be part of the PD version? After all >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Joseph Gentle wrote: > I don't think it matters much where our mailing list is hosted. A > google group would be fine I for one will certainly not join a Google list, I don't know if I'm just picky or if others feel the same - Google lists just provide an incentive for ever more people to o

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I'm the person who started the "all my contributions are PD" > thing on the Wiki Seems I was wrong here, Wiki history lists RichardF as the inventor and myself as a mere follower a few weeks later! Well then, I guess, PD is not so great after all ;-) Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-15 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the idea that everything only touched by PD contributors is PD > data is easily good enough. It would be a tough sell to say that > because your road is next to my road, I have intellectual property > rights over

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-15 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My thinking as well, just needs careful consideration of viral > effects, i.e. if you want to be totally safe then you can only ever > collect data before it is assimilated into the OSM pool, and after > that it is complete

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
spaetz wrote: > check the wiki, there are a few people that have the "I release my > data as PD template on their user pages". I would expect the biggest > problem is that existing data is likely to be "tainted" by the OSM > license if anybody not on that list ever modified it significantly

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-15 Thread Rob Myers
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Sunburned Surveyor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suppose there is the Public Domain Dedication from the Creative > Commons that we could use as well, although that will have to be > discussed among the participants. Or the Open Data Commons Public > Domain Dedicati

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-15 Thread spaetz
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:54:37AM -0700, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > I believe there is (at least a small) group that would also like to > release there data into the public domain before it is contributed to > OSM. Joseph and Kari have given their support to setting up a check the wiki, there ar

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM, Data

2008-10-14 Thread John Wilbanks
The folks at Creative Commons and Science Commons would be happy to help out in the creation of a public domain repository. My opinions on the difficulties of using "copyleftish" licenses on data are well known and I won't rehash them here :-) jtw I've had some recent discuss

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-14 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I suppose there is the Public Domain Dedication from the Creative Commons that we could use as well, although that will have to be discussed among the participants. Or the Open Data Commons Public Domain Dedication and License, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/ http://www.opendatac

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-14 Thread Denver Gingerich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > I've had some recent discussions with Joseph Gentle and Kari Pihkala > about the desire to maintain a "clean" repository of data collected > for OSM that would be released in the public doma

[OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-14 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I've had some recent discussions with Joseph Gentle and Kari Pihkala about the desire to maintain a "clean" repository of data collected for OSM that would be released in the public domain before being imported into OSM. This would allow anyone to use the data without having to worry about the OSM