Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-16 Thread Liz
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: simple example I tagged shop=lawyer On this list someone said that they didn't think that lawyer belonged in shop but office=legal. I saw that. Simply because someone else offered a different idea doesn't make your idea not good. If I

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Liz writes: On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: simple example I tagged shop=lawyer On this list someone said that they didn't think that lawyer belonged in shop but office=legal. I saw that. Simply because someone else offered a different idea doesn't make your

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave F. writes: The just go ahead do it philosophy that some advocate just puts errors into OSM that may not get fully removed, especially if they've been around for a while have been copied by others. Please go back to my proposed steps. What errors do you see defined there? The only

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Liz
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: Map it, tag it, and document it. Worry less about making a misteak, and map more. could we make research other tags in similar use be part of this list and make the search process easier? ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Liz writes: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: Map it, tag it, and document it. Worry less about making a misteak, and map more. could we make research other tags in similar use be part of this list and make the search process easier? This google search has always worked for

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Liz writes: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: Before you propose a tag, you should be using it. Why? To show people how you're using it. http://osm.org/ Doesn't it make sense to ask around before using something - someone may come up with a good example they are

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Liz
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: or a simple reason why your tag is not good. Could you list some simple reasons, please? I don't understand what you mean by not good. simple example I tagged shop=lawyer On this list someone said that they didn't think that lawyer belonged in shop

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread John Smith
2009/10/16 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: Liz writes:   On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote:   Before you propose a tag, you should be using it.     Why? To show people how you're using it.  http://osm.org/ Just because you use something, doesn't mean you picked the right

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Liz writes: On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: or a simple reason why your tag is not good. Could you list some simple reasons, please? I don't understand what you mean by not good. simple example I tagged shop=lawyer On this list someone said that they didn't think

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Pieren writes: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Why wait?  Tag boldly and document what you did in the wiki. No, no and no. If you are unsure or unhappy with existing tags, then document, suggest and discuss before putting crap in OSM ! Why? If

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/14 Gilles Corlobé gil...@corlobe.tk: Joseph In my opinion, the tag landuse=military should only be used for specificly military activities, like those discribed in the wiki. Some of you have suggested to create 2 areas, covering the same place. I don't think this is correct. One of

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Gilles Corlobé
Hello everybody, I propose to add a tag boundary=military : the problem is that, with the existing tags, it's almost impossible to mark correctly lots of data, like (non limitative list) forest, scholl, parking lot, … Rather than multiplying the military=* tag, I suggest to only mark the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Russ Nelson
Gilles Corlobé writes: I propose to add a tag boundary=military Where is this tag currently being used? Please point to several examples so we can see what you mean. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Gilles Corlobé
-Message d'origine- De : Russ Nelson [mailto:nel...@crynwr.com] Envoyé : mardi 13 octobre 2009 16:38 À : Gilles Corlobé Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military) Gilles Corlobé writes: I propose to add a tag

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 13 Oct 2009, at 16:35, Gilles Corlobé wrote: -Message d'origine- De : Russ Nelson [mailto:nel...@crynwr.com] Envoyé : mardi 13 octobre 2009 16:38 À : Gilles Corlobé Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military) Gilles

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Gilles Corlobé
-Message d'origine- De : Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] Envoyé : mardi 13 octobre 2009 17:46 À : Gilles Corlobé Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org Objet : **SPAM ENGLISH BODY** Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military) On 13 Oct 2009

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Russ Nelson
Gilles Corlobé writes: This tag is not currently used. But it could be very usefull here : http://osm.org/go/xXEahwWz-- Why wait? Tag boldly and document what you did in the wiki. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Gilles Corlobé
-Message d'origine- De : talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] De la part de Russ Nelson Envoyé : mardi 13 octobre 2009 17:54 À : talk@openstreetmap.org Objet : **SPAM ENGLISH BODY** Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Why wait?  Tag boldly and document what you did in the wiki. No, no and no. If you are unsure or unhappy with existing tags, then document, suggest and discuss before putting crap in OSM ! Pieren

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: 2009/10/13 Gilles Corlobé gil...@corlobe.tk: I didn't know I didn't have to wait the approval. It's now done : http://osm.org/go/xXEahwWz-- Gilles, your approach was the correct one. Don't follow those stupid advices from guys how want the chaos in OSM.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 13/10/2009, at 10.14, Gilles Corlobé wrote: Hello everybody, I propose to add a tag boundary=military : the problem is that, with the existing tags, it's almost impossible to mark correctly lots of data, like (non limitative list) forest, scholl, parking lot, … Rather than

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Liz
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: Before you propose a tag, you should be using it. Why? Doesn't it make sense to ask around before using something - someone may come up with a good example they are already using, or a simple reason why your tag is not good.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/13 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: 2009/10/13 Gilles Corlobé gil...@corlobe.tk: I didn't know I didn't have to wait the approval. It's now done : http://osm.org/go/xXEahwWz-- Gilles, your approach was the correct one. Don't follow those stupid advices from guys how want the chaos in OSM.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Dave F.
Shaun McDonald wrote: On 13 Oct 2009, at 16:35, Gilles Corlobé wrote: -Message d'origine- De : Russ Nelson [mailto:nel...@crynwr.com] Envoyé : mardi 13 octobre 2009 16:38 À : Gilles Corlobé Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Joseph Reeves
To be honest I don't see the point. You should use the already existing landuse=military. School, parking lot, etc. that you mentioned should be rendered on top of that, like landuse=residential. Using landuse also avoids certain ambiguities like: which side of the boundary is the military

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Dave F.
Pieren wrote: 2009/10/13 Gilles Corlobé gil...@corlobe.tk: I didn't know I didn't have to wait the approval. It's now done : http://osm.org/go/xXEahwWz-- Gilles, your approach was the correct one. Don't follow those stupid advices from guys how want the chaos in OSM. Making

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Pieren wrote: 2009/10/13 Gilles Corlobé gil...@corlobe.tk: I didn't know I didn't have to wait the approval. It's now done : http://osm.org/go/xXEahwWz-- Gilles, your approach was the correct one. Don't follow those stupid advices from guys how

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Gilles Corlobé
-Message d'origine- De : Joseph Reeves [mailto:iknowjos...@gmail.com] Envoyé : mercredi 14 octobre 2009 00:07 À : Morten Kjeldgaard Cc : Gilles Corlobé; talk@openstreetmap.org Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military) To be honest I don't see

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Gilles Corlobé gil...@corlobe.tk: In my opinion, the tag landuse=military should only be used for specificly military activities, like those discribed in the wiki. Some of you have suggested to create 2 areas, covering the same place. I don't think this is correct. One of you said

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Gilles Corlobé
-Message d'origine- De : John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Envoyé : mercredi 14 octobre 2009 06:55 À : Gilles Corlobé Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military) 2009/10/14 Gilles Corlobé gil...@corlobe.tk

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Gilles Corlobé gil...@corlobe.tk: You're right : If the area is covered by a forest (or a lake, or whatever), it should appear like this on the map. What would a user think if he finds a forest (even if it's in a military area) that is not on the map? And we should remerber that all

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: Before you propose a tag, you should be using it. how ridiculous prohibiting discussion before polluting the data base with even more tags There seems to be 2 completely distinct camps within OSM. Those that think