Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-02-04 Thread Martijn van Exel
This would fit in very well with the annotation system discussed in the 'Recent Edits' thread not too long ago. -- martijn van exel -+- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ Op 3 feb 2008, om 20:16 heeft Dirk-Lüder Kreie het volgende geschreven: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE---

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-02-03 Thread Martin Trautmann
Chris Morley wrote: > I have started a new thread with a measure for completeness in the title > because this is an important topic for OSM. But the response to the > recent posts quoted above, and my raising of it last July, has been only > luke-warm. I've added http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ind

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-02-03 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm schrieb: > Whereever possible I'd like to try and have this completeness assessed > by people *other* than those who did the mapping; maybe through a web > interface where casual visitors can check their area of residence and > rubber-sta

[OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-18 Thread grungelborz
Some comments regarding the completeness thread: For Munich we currently use wiki pages to track the completeness: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Landkreis_M%C3%BCnchen (in German but Google translates it quite ok). Wiki pages were used because they are simpler to set up than anything

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-16 Thread Gregory
What about one indicator of completness being automatic: How many key/value pairs per way or node. So you have the standard: this is claimed to be 80% complete by user:Bob (or this is validated to be 75% complete/accurate by user:Fred) Then you have addtionally: this as information to a level of 20

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-13 Thread Lars Aronsson
Dair Grant wrote: > Good point! Which makes it all the more important to have a > mechanism for marking it as such, if only to reduce the number > of people who make pointless trips to the middle of nowhere to > confirm there's nothing there... There are very few places with "nothing" in them.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Martin Trautmann
graham wrote: > 80n wrote: > >> In a sense I'm already doing this. The very last thing I do when I've >> completed an area is to add landuse=residential (only where appropriate, >> of course). I could easily add complete=level-n to this landuse boundary. >> > > Surely completeness is relative t

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Bruce Cowan
On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 19:08 +, graham wrote: > Surely completeness is relative to purpose? I have areas where all roads > between settlements are filled in but not the settlements, other urban > areas where all roads are filled in and named, others where all roads > and footpaths are complete.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Mark Williams
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: [] > Rather than creating special ways, just to show completeness, why not > mark the ways that are already there with weather or not they are > completely connected. I.e. I know that all the roads and footpaths that > connect to my road are on the map, so I could put a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Morley wrote: | David Earl wrote: | > I've said before and I'll say again: we need a way of | > asserting "this area is complete" (for one or more | > definitions of completeness). | | Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: | > The only way that w

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Tom Higgy
Chris Morley wrote: > OSM really needs a measure for local completeness to demonstrate its > progress externally. I hope enough people can be roused to discuss, and > hopefully agree, the principles, before deciding on an implementation. Would it make any sense at all to consider it from the oth

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Tom Evans
graham wrote: > Surely completeness is relative to purpose? Sort of - I think you need definitions in terms of content rather than purpose, just for clarity. But they could obviously be aimed at a purpose. When I said 'multiple' definitions I definitely had in mind separately defined levels l

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread graham
80n wrote: > > In a sense I'm already doing this. The very last thing I do when I've > completed an area is to add landuse=residential (only where appropriate, > of course). I could easily add complete=level-n to this landuse boundary. > Surely completeness is relative to purpose? I have area

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Dair Grant
Frederik Ramm wrote: >>There are places in OSM where there is no data; these are >>obviously incomplete. > >How would you know ;-) there are places which are complete with >nothing on them! Good point! Which makes it all the more important to have a mechanism for marking it as such, if only to r

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > There are places in OSM where there is no data; these are > obviously incomplete. How would you know ;-) there are places which are complete with nothing on them! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00.09' E008°23.33' ___

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > OSM really needs a measure for local completeness to demonstrate its > progress externally. I hope enough people can be roused to discuss, and > hopefully agree, the principles, before deciding on an implementation. I'm all for it but I would really try to deduce this completeness from ex

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Freek
On Saturday 12 January 2008, Tom Evans wrote: > David Earl wrote: > > I've said before and I'll say again: we need a way of > > asserting "this area is complete" (for one or more > > definitions of completeness). > > Chris Morley wrote: > > A possible detailed approach is as follows. A completen

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Tom Evans
David Earl wrote: > I've said before and I'll say again: we need a way of > asserting "this area is complete" (for one or more > definitions of completeness). Chris Morley wrote: > A possible detailed approach is as follows. A completeness boundary > would be modelled on coastline: it would en

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Dair Grant
Chris Morley wrote: >I have started a new thread with a measure for completeness in the >title because this is an important topic for OSM. But the response >to the recent posts quoted above, and my raising of it last July, >has been only luke-warm. I also think completeness is a very important id

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread 80n
On Jan 12, 2008 3:48 PM, Chris Morley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Earl wrote: > > I've said before and I'll say again: we need a way of > > asserting "this area is complete" (for one or more > > definitions of completeness). > > Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: > > The only way that we

[OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness

2008-01-12 Thread Chris Morley
David Earl wrote: > I've said before and I'll say again: we need a way of > asserting "this area is complete" (for one or more > definitions of completeness). Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: > The only way that we are going to individually or > collectively state the completeness of a speci