On Saturday 01 September 2018, Johnparis wrote:
> I would disagree with Christoph's assumption that addresses must be
> unique. The purpose of an address is to help someone locate
> something.
Well - then everything in the OSM database is an address and
noaddress=yes is universally a nonsense
I would disagree with Christoph's assumption that addresses must be unique.
The purpose of an address is to help someone locate something. It gets
"close enough", with the definition of that phrase varying by
locality/society/observer. ALL addresses, in that sense, are "partial", to
use
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> On 1. Sep 2018, at 13:08, Gregory Marler wrote:
>
> Maybe the building is in use. Maybe it gets post, and billed for electricity,
> local tax, etc. Most places it would need an address for that, but the
> average mapper wouldn't know what it was and might not even know
My personal perspective from the UK...
In suburbs, people often don't have a visual house address. I guess the
postman remembers or figures it out. I can usually guess too, and add a
note to other mappers soo they can change it if I'm wrong:
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Byc
In rural areas it
On 24/08/18 18:40, Rory McCann wrote:
On 22/08/18 23:40, Christoph Hormann wrote:
On Wednesday 22 August 2018, Rory McCann wrote:
The single most important property of an address is that it is
unique
35% of addresses in Ireland aren't unique.
I strongly suspect we have a different
On Friday 24 August 2018, Rory McCann wrote:
> >>
> >> 35% of addresses in Ireland aren't unique.
> >
> > I strongly suspect we have a different understanding of either
> > 'address' or 'uniqueness' here.
>
> Possibly. The Irish definition is "a property has the same address
> with a least one
On 22/08/18 23:40, Christoph Hormann wrote:
On Wednesday 22 August 2018, Rory McCann wrote:
The single most important property of an address is that it is
unique
35% of addresses in Ireland aren't unique.
I strongly suspect we have a different understanding of either 'address'
or
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> On 23. Aug 2018, at 04:48, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The royal 'we'?
we, as the Italian community
>
> Address tags are added to buildings.
not around here
cheers,
Martin
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 02:16:02AM -0700, Mark Wagner wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:58:07 +0200
> Christoph Hormann wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday 22 August 2018, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
> > > > Specifying addr:street on a building that does not have an address
> > > > is either pointless or
On 23/08/18 10:16, Mark Wagner wrote:
As a rather extreme first-world example, the address of
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/132723167 is:
name=Grand Canyon North Rim Lodge
addr:city=North Rim
addr:state=AZ
Not only does the building not have a house number, house name, or
other house
On Thursday 23 August 2018, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
> > Ok, if the address is essentially "The airport on X-street" or "The
> > government office on Y-street" then i think the type of feature is
> > part of the address and this needs to be indicated in tagging
> > somehow. And And I don't
On Thursday 23 August 2018, Roland Olbricht wrote:
>
> An example from Germany:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/526129541
> https://www.izb.fraunhofer.de/de/impressum.html
>
> The whole campus just fills up the complete street. Hence, the street
> alone makes it already unique. I can confirm
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 22:58:07 +0200
Christoph Hormann wrote:
> On Wednesday 22 August 2018, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
> > > Specifying addr:street on a building that does not have an address
> > > is either pointless or non-verifiable.
> >
> > But this happens here :-)
> > Sometimes they are
in Israel a boulding on a corner between 2 streets have 2 addreses, one for
each street (or even 3 or more...).
the local authority register the building just on one of the possible
addresses for tax purposes but all of them are valid and usable.
the more, each if them have a distinct 7digit zip
Hi Christoph,
You probably have to give a real world example since i have no idea if
you want to say you have a building with a unique address consisting of
addr:street and addr:postcode (could be if there is only one building
at this street or with this postcode) or if you want to defend
On 23/08/18 11:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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On 22. Aug 2018, at 22:28, Christoph Hormann wrote:
Specifying addr:street on a building that does not have an address is
either pointless or non-verifiable.
as I explained above, we don’t add address tags to buildings in
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> Ok, if the address is essentially "The airport on X-street" or "The
> government office on Y-street" then i think the type of feature is part
> of the address and this needs to be indicated in tagging somehow. And
> And I don't think
On 23/08/18 09:18, Christoph Hormann wrote:
On Thursday 23 August 2018, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
Usually the places without a housenumber here have some kind of
intrinsic distinctiveness/uniqueness.
For example, an airport located in a road (there won't be 2 airports
at the same road), some
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> On 22. Aug 2018, at 22:28, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>
> Specifying addr:street on a building that does not have an address is
> either pointless or non-verifiable.
as I explained above, we don’t add address tags to buildings in general, we add
them to entrances and
On Thursday 23 August 2018, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
>
> Usually the places without a housenumber here have some kind of
> intrinsic distinctiveness/uniqueness.
> For example, an airport located in a road (there won't be 2 airports
> at the same road), some big industries/factories, an
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> I still don't know if the addresses listed there are unique (in the
> sense that only those government offices have this address) or if there
> are maybe a dozen other unrelated buildings which happen to have the
> same address (which
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> On 23. Aug 2018, at 00:30, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>
> I still don't know if the addresses listed there are unique (in the
> sense that only those government offices have this address) or if there
> are maybe a dozen other unrelated buildings which happen to have the
>
On 23/08/18 02:37, Andreas Vilén wrote:
Please don’t use name=no name. Use noname=yes.
+1
name= is for the name only. If it has no name then the tag name= should not be
used.
/Andreas
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22 aug. 2018 kl. 17:17 skrev Nelson A. de Oliveira :
What is the best way to
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> On 22. Aug 2018, at 23:47, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
>
> where "S/N" is the abbreviation for
> "sem número" = "no number"
same here ‘snc’ = ‘senza numero civico’ means no housenumber, common in
addresses.
Cheers,
Martin
On Wednesday 22 August 2018, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
>
> You know that we live in a heterogeneous world with many oddities and
> peculiarities, that what makes sense in one country or region may not
> make sense in another, that these definitions are beyond our control
> and that we are only
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:58 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> You probably have to give a real world example since i have no idea if
> you want to say you have a building with a unique address consisting of
> addr:street and addr:postcode (could be if there is only one building
> at this street or
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 16:02 Christoph Hormann wrote:
> On Wednesday 22 August 2018, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
> > > Specifying addr:street on a building that does not have an address
> > > is either pointless or non-verifiable.
> >
> > But this happens here :-)
> > Sometimes they are big
On Wednesday 22 August 2018, Rory McCann wrote:
> > The single most important property of an address is that it is
> > unique
>
> 35% of addresses in Ireland aren't unique.
I strongly suspect we have a different understanding of either 'address'
or 'uniqueness' here.
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Christoph Hormann
Plenty of house in Ireland don't have a housenumber. So just don't add
addr:housenumber! If there's a name, then use addr:housename.
IMO you should enter the correct "addr:*" tags, and it's up to the
geocoder to show them right. You could always use addr:full to help it?
I think
On 22.08.2018 22:28, Christoph Hormann wrote:
The single most important property of an address is that it is unique
35% of addresses in Ireland aren't unique. The newly introduced (and
hardly used) postcode system gives a unique code to every letter box, so
it's now unique-able. But to say
On Wednesday 22 August 2018, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
> > Specifying addr:street on a building that does not have an address
> > is either pointless or non-verifiable.
>
> But this happens here :-)
> Sometimes they are big buildings/areas (which occupies a whole city
> block, for example),
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> Specifying addr:street on a building that does not have an address is
> either pointless or non-verifiable.
But this happens here :-)
Sometimes they are big buildings/areas (which occupies a whole city
block, for example), with
On Wednesday 22 August 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> >
> > What's wrong with noaddress=yes?
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noaddress
>
> the wiki says noaddress is for places without an address, but the
> places I have in mind do have an address, they have a street,
>
Please don’t use name=no name. Use noname=yes.
/Andreas
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> 22 aug. 2018 kl. 17:17 skrev Nelson A. de Oliveira :
>
> What is the best way to represent places which have no housenumber?
>
> It's the same problem described in
>
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> On 22. Aug 2018, at 17:35, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>
> I assume you mean no addr:housenumber and no addr:housename.
>
> What's wrong with noaddress=yes?
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noaddress
the wiki says noaddress is for places without an address,
On Wednesday 22 August 2018, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
> What is the best way to represent places which have no housenumber?
>
> [...]
I assume you mean no addr:housenumber and no addr:housename.
What's wrong with noaddress=yes?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noaddress
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> On 22. Aug 2018, at 17:17, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
>
> Similarly to using name="No name" to represent a street with no name,
> using any kind of value in addr:housenumber would be wrong and cause
> the same kind of problems.
>
> How could we solve this, please?
What is the best way to represent places which have no housenumber?
It's the same problem described in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Addresses#Missing_housenumbers
(and this same doubt arose recently in the Brazilian community)
By leaving the housenumber empty we don't know in fact if
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