Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/15/2011 8:21 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: Please continue any detailed discussion of this topic to legal-talk ... that's what it's for. The question is not what's legally true, but what conditions the OSMF will require an object to satisfy to not be reverted. So it actually belongs on osmf-ta

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12/15/2011 02:11 PM, 80n wrote: Joint ownership is an important principle to understand. If someone edits a way then they are making a derivative of that way and inheriting *all* of the joint copyright ownerships. Provided that a way is a work - maybe it isn't; maybe the whole of OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-15 Thread Mikel Maron
c: talk@openstreetmap.org >Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:11 AM >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in >determining tainted ways > > >On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > >On 15/12/2011 13:17, David Groom wrot

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-15 Thread 80n
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > On 15/12/2011 13:17, David Groom wrote: > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jean-Marc Liotier" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:59 AM >> >>> But what if the source changes ? When I use high-resolution imagery to

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-15 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 15/12/2011 13:17, David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: "Jean-Marc Liotier" To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:59 AM But what if the source changes ? When I use high-resolution imagery to improve areas formerly mapped from low-resolution imagery, I change the source t

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Jean-Marc Liotier" To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways On 15/12/2011 12:40, David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: &q

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-15 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 15/12/2011 12:40, David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: "Toby Murray" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:47 AM User "moonwashed" created this way by splitting it from a TIGER way. He made several more edits to it but the last 20 versions have been by agreeing users (includin

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Toby Murray" To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways Yeah, a healthy chunk of the interstates in Kansas are the same way. I didn't go q

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-14 Thread Toby Murray
Yeah, a healthy chunk of the interstates in Kansas are the same way. I didn't go quite as deep as Nathan but this way is a relevant example: http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=33576021 User "moonwashed" created this way by splitting it from a TIGER way. He made several more edits to it but th

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/14/2011 10:25 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 12/15/2011 04:11 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: So why have people been recommending for months that we remap tainted objects when we still don't know what needs to be remapped? If you prefer to wait until the exact rules are laid out for you,

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12/15/2011 04:11 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: So why have people been recommending for months that we remap tainted objects when we still don't know what needs to be remapped? If you prefer to wait until the exact rules are laid out for you, that's your choice. Personally I'd rather mak

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/14/2011 9:45 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: It has been explained already but I'll repeat it - OSMF/LWG has not yet decided what they will do with regards to the finer points of complex object relicensing. This means that none of your questions above has an answer. And OSMF is not going to decide

Re: [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12/15/2011 02:58 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: So what here will be reverted by the OSMF? Obviously node 250413743 needs to be replaced by another node in the same general location. But other than that, is everything tainted because it was split from a tainted way? Or is nothing else tainte

[OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I will look at a single suburban roadway: Westwood Boulevard in the International Drive tourist area south of Orlando. This started out as a TIGER way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/11197961/history 80n (orange) and kyrbyboy (red) have made some improvements to alignment, but have appa