Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website

2009-07-30 Thread Ken Guest
When I expound on why I'm so passionate about contributing towards OpenStreetMap is this is one of the reasons: 1/ Consider that you've moved into a new area and need to know * which pharmacy is open the latest * where the nearest health care centre is * the quickest route that isn't obstructed by

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website

2009-07-29 Thread maning sambale
What I'm saying is, when a new user (using this interface) sees the map they would assume that the POI/business establishment are not yet in the "map". They would then add the info knowing it's not yet there. I like the simplicity of ojw's mockup. We don't need to overcomplicate it at the moment

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website

2009-07-29 Thread Joseph Reeves
>I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the >database especially for well-mapped areas. >Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender). But then you're just mapping for the renderers - omitting data because two of current representations of the database as provide

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website

2009-07-29 Thread maning sambale
This is really useful and would love this simple service to be implemented. I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the database especially for well-mapped areas. Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender). A volunteer mapper can subscribe to a boundingbox and e

[OSM-talk] Business listings - a website

2009-07-29 Thread OJ W
Sorry for breaking the thread, but I did a mockup of a website that people could use to enter their own businesses into OSM: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/SmallAds/ so any user of this website can* create up to 5 OSM nodes, label them as amenity=whatever, and enter a description, a phone numb

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Houle
Arlindo Pereira wrote: > I strongly disagree with you on this point. If I could use Google Maps > to find plumbers, dentists and web designers, why shouldn't I be able > to do it with OpenStreetMap? Perhaps not on Garmin, but on OSM.org or > OpenStreetBrowser or whatever application that uses OS

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-29 Thread Arlindo Pereira
I strongly disagree with you on this point. If I could use Google Maps to find plumbers, dentists and web designers, why shouldn't I be able to do it with OpenStreetMap? Perhaps not on Garmin, but on OSM.org or OpenStreetBrowser or whatever application that uses OSM data. Maybe it's just a matter o

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-29 Thread James Livingston
On 29/07/2009, at 5:45 AM, Jack Stringer wrote: > Should we be charging to upgrade businesses details on OSM? > > I think it should be free. You could pay OSM to have a OSM member put > all the details onto the map for them, saving them signing up etc. But > I would not like to see charging being t

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-28 Thread Jack Stringer
Should we be charging to upgrade businesses details on OSM? I think it should be free. You could pay OSM to have a OSM member put all the details onto the map for them, saving them signing up etc. But I would not like to see charging being the norm. Only because OSM exists as a free map service, t

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Stephen Hope wrote: > And I don't know if the TV company counter appealed at a higher > level. They couldn't. The last one ruling was from the High Court. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/l

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/7/28 John Smith : > > In Australia in Telstra won a lawsuit against people OCR'ing the street > directory and selling white/yellow pages on CD. For all intents and purposes > Telstra owns the copyright on all Australian White/Yellow page directories > and now Telstra is a publicly listed co

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > Well, I expect that information to be covered by different > licensing terms in > different countries. After all, OSM has a lot of experience > bashing > government agencies to get copyright-free map data. In Australia in Telstra won a lawsuit

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Lars Aronsson wrote: > Most businesses would register the postal address where > they receive mail from tax authorities, not the shop front door. So you would find me, and another hundred businesses, at the one address. It will be an accountants when you arrived at the addres

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Paul Houle
Phil Endecott wrote: > > I'm not sure how far you can extrapolate from that, but I think it's > still fair to say that Yellow Pages covers most businesses. Certainly > the copies that arrive on my doorstep each year (and go straight into > the recycling bin) are not getting any thinner. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread OJ W
one way that a business-listings website could work with OSM would be to let each advertiser 'own' (not exclusively) an OSM node that they can keep updated from some business-advertising website. (1) you create an account and say "I want to advertise a {business_type} at {location}" (doesn't matte

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Marcus Wolschon
2009/7/27 Iván Sánchez Ortega : > El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, John Smith escribió: >> At this point in time OSM needs businesses to embrace it more than it can >> offer back to businesses, so charging them would be like a slap in the >> face. > > You're doing it wrong. > > I do think that OSM sh

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, Lars Aronsson escribió: > Did you try to get hold of such a list? Was it useful? > > I'm an independent computer consultant. In the tax registry, I'm > an "educational venture". Maybe your map would show my home > address as a school building? I guess most restaura

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Lars Aronsson
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > I do think that OSM should tap into government sources. Every > country must have some kind of business registry that could be > cross-referenced with house numbers. Did you try to get hold of such a list? Was it useful? I'm an independent computer consultant. In

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, Sam Vekemans escribió: > Right, > my business is listed with the BC business registry, which is > government funded. You can look up in the Canadian corporate registry > all businesses & the addresses. > I dont think that that information is copyrighted, as long as it

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Phil Endecott
Lars Aronsson wrote: > I doubt that any "yellow pages" catalog covers a critical mass of > all business any longer. We're back to the 19th century, when, > before telephones, various private publishers printed "address > calendars". Just jumping in with a random factoid here. I read a piece i

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Vekemans
Anyway, I created a wiki page for it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Business_Directory And we can throw in more facts and ideas there on how to improve on OpenStreetBrowser etc. Cheers, Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Nic Roets
Some very good observations, Lars. Even simpler than webcrawling would to imitate these guys and just provide a simple web form : http://www.google.com/local/add/analyticsSplashPage?gl=us&hl=en-US On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote: > John Smith wrote: > > > Don't ya just lo

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Stephan Plepelits
Hi! You might want to try this: http://www.openstreetbrowser.org Unfortunately I'm not able to provide this for the whole planet right now, only Europe is there. greetings, Stephan -- Seid unbequem, seid Sand, nicht Öl im Getriebe der Welt! - Günther Eich ,--

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Vekemans
Right, my business is listed with the BC business registry, which is government funded. You can look up in the Canadian corporate registry all businesses & the addresses. I dont think that that information is copyrighted, as long as its properly sourced? Right? Being manually listed with an estima

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Lars Aronsson
John Smith wrote: > Don't ya just love a good chicken and egg problem. Yellow pages > works because it has both critical mass and usually a physical > product is sent out. Before telecom deregulation (1980 or so), every person (or household, anyway) was in "the phone book" because there was ju

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Jack Stringer
Maybe an offshoot of osm should be a open directory business directory. That people locate their business on a osm then it should be search able via the main page. As I keep saying it also would add extra navagation points such as postal codes. On Jul 27, 2009 4:46 PM, "Iván Sánchez Ortega" wrote

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, John Smith escribió: > At this point in time OSM needs businesses to embrace it more than it can > offer back to businesses, so charging them would be like a slap in the > face. You're doing it wrong. I do think that OSM should tap into government sources. Every cou

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Vekemans
But CloudMade and OSM are 2 different things. Yellow pages can use cloudmades slippymap instead of others. They could partner-up, but give us 2 more years to get OSM-basemap upto snuff :-) On 7/27/09, John Smith wrote: > > > > --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Paul Houle wrote: > >>     OSM could replace, 

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Vekemans
Brilliant! I second that.. Erm.. +1 that idea! -with a custom CM slippy map that will show the listings. (that companies can use) BUT -The basemap (mapnik, osmarender, cyclemap) shouldnt play favorites, it lists it all at lowest zoom :-) (a middleman who can play nice with yellow pages) Cheers, Sa

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Paul Houle wrote: >     OSM could replace,  perhaps even > surpass,  the street maps in a > product like City Navigator,  but I'm thinking about > the business > listings.  It seems to me that a free product could be > provided on a > basis similar to the Yellow Pages: 

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Milo van der Linden
My wild guess is that this might be on the core-business-todo list for cloudmade ;-) Paul Houle schreef: > The other day my family was on a road trip and we passed by an > unfamilliar city. We wanted to find a chinese restaurant, so I used > the database of business locations in City Navi

[OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Paul Houle
The other day my family was on a road trip and we passed by an unfamilliar city. We wanted to find a chinese restaurant, so I used the database of business locations in City Navigator NT to find one. OSM could replace, perhaps even surpass, the street maps in a product like City Na