[OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Lennard wrote: > This is completely separate from the rendering of nodes, where it will > (as mentioned before) only render barrier=gate, nor of the completely > Also barrier=bollard. > > > Probably - I'll have a look. It's just a different stylesheet for Mapn

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > This is particularly annoying to me as one of my major motivations in > contributing to OSM is to work towards producing really good bike maps of > Melbourne and surrounds. I'm shocked that I can't contribute to, or tweak, > the OCM styleshe

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Steve Bennett : > You're right. WTF? "OpenCycleMap", promoted on "OpenStreetMap" uses a > closed-source stylesheet? I'm sure I'm not the only who fails to comprehend > this. You're not the first to notice this either, came up a feww weeks/month ago.

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Anthony : > Reverse engineer it.  And quick, before CC-BY-SA goes away, and tiles don't > have to be released under a free license. That would only matter for new tiles created under a new license, not current tiles. ___ talk mailing list tal

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, John Smith wrote: > > You're not the first to notice this either, came up a feww weeks/month ago. > Yeah, I see that one post on the mailing list, but no followup. Where are the keen cyclists of OSM clamouring for an *open* cyclemap? Steve ___

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Steve Bennett : > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> You're not the first to notice this either, came up a feww weeks/month >> ago. > > Yeah, I see that one post on the mailing list, but no followup. Where are > the keen cyclists of OSM clamouring for an *open* c

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:58 PM, John Smith wrote: > Most of them might not have the technical skills or the inclination > since someone else has already made something "good enough" > Of course. I think very few users have the technical skills. But I want those who do, to be able to help the oth

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Nop
Hi! Am 20.12.2009 03:58, schrieb John Smith: > Most of them might not have the technical skills or the inclination > since someone else has already made something "good enough" Technical skills and inclination are not enough. You also need considerable server side muscle to create a dedicated m

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Nop : > from _every_ map. Weekly updates are now considered lame. And less than > full world-wide coverage is lame, too. :-[ Dunno about others, but the server I'm running for us to play with for aussie aspects only has south east asia and oceania... Technically speaking I just need mo

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>Technical skills and inclination are not enough. You also need >considerable server side muscle to create a dedicated map. You don't *necessarily* need this if you're prepared to only update your map once a week (which, it should be said, is still much, much more frequently than the OS and Goo

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>The standards for acceptance by the casual user have grown enourmously. >A year ago, the main maps were re-rendered once a week and that was >cool. Now they are updated daily/minutely and somehow people expect that >from _every_ map. Weekly updates are now considered lame. And less than >full

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Nick Whitelegg < nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk> wrote: > > Would most casual users even notice though? I think it's important here to separate technically rational arguments like "one update per week is enough" from emotional/social/visceral factors like "omg, I m

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Steve Bennett : > I'm not saying it's easy to get the hardware to make this happen for > multiple renderings, like CloudMade can do. But it's important, if we want > to attract more users. I've been suggesting putting more emphasis on tiles in the past but without much success, I would

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Richard Bullock
> I think it's important here to separate technically rational arguments > like > "one update per week is enough" from emotional/social/visceral factors > like > "omg, I made a change and it's already in the map!" That instant feedback > has been a huge factor in Wikipedia's success. If the origi

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/21 Richard Bullock : > Oh, come on! Minutely rendering of Mapnik is an recent development. The > original contributors to OSM *did* have to wait a while to see any changes. > Sometimes more than a week. And you can't say OSM hasn't come on since then > can you? It can't be that big a block

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
Actually it would be more informative to only count new user accounts after they make say 5 or more edits, total number of accounts aren't that useful for anything beyond PR spiels, what is useful is people making edits. ___ talk mailing list talk@openst