Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting data

2013-10-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: As a mapper, you have mapped from third party sources and not been in the place physically to confirm. But you expect other mappers to have a different threshold for deleting these edit, why? Because they are not an

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting data

2013-10-23 Thread Russ Nelson
Bryce Nesbitt writes: But this also means a non-expert could well* actually visit the area* and miss the subtle signs Sure. That's why people should edit with humility. I think *any* edit is fair game to ask a question. Not sure that it should result in an argument, though. We should default

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting data

2013-10-19 Thread Lester Caine
Russ Nelson wrote: We need to make sure that the Wikipedia deletionism doesn't take hold within OSM. Because, if I have to spend time defending the data I've already entered, that will take away from my effort to enter new data. And a lot of wikipedia articles still have pointless complaints

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting data

2013-10-19 Thread Ian Sergeant
Hi, I think it is self-evident that correct data shouldn't be deleted from OSM. I'd be surprised if anyone actually disagrees with that. However, frequently as an editor I have to make decisions as to the correctness of data in the database. In the areas I work there is a lot of data that is

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting data

2013-10-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/19/2013 07:05 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: This is wrong, and it's got to stop. Nobody should be deleting data that somebody else entered unless they have actually BEEN to the place, failed to see any trace of the mapped entity, and are an expert at identifying the mapped entity. I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting data

2013-10-19 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 19.10.2013 09:41, schrieb Lester Caine: Russ Nelson wrote: We need to make sure that the Wikipedia deletionism doesn't take hold within OSM. Because, if I have to spend time defending the data I've already entered, that will take away from my effort to enter new data. And a lot of

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting data

2013-10-19 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Russ, Though I'm not the person you're talking about, the problem with your argument, in your case is that you map things in places you have not been. I've seen imported data from you that was created before the LWG's position on these things, and a lot of it is *highly* suspect. I've seen old

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting data

2013-10-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Saturday 19 October 2013, Frederik Ramm wrote: I think that is the core of the problem. For many, the visual power of the aerial imagery is so strong that any data not matching the imagery is deemed wrong. It seems to me instructions for beginners concerning mapping based on imagery could

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting data

2013-10-19 Thread Russ Nelson
Serge Wroclawski writes: Though I'm not the person you're talking about, the problem with your argument, in your case is that you map things in places you have not been. Some, yes, and some, no. How would you know without talking to me? Here's a perfect example:

[OSM-talk] Deleting data

2013-10-18 Thread Russ Nelson
I've recently had two instances of people deleting data that I had entered. Their rationale? You only map what's on the ground. Their authority to do so? Armchair mapping. This is wrong, and it's got to stop. Nobody should be deleting data that somebody else entered unless they have actually