Re: [OSM-talk] Distribution of OSM ids could be much more useful!

2018-11-25 Thread Victor Shcherb
Sorry messed up with interface, my reply was to Paul Norman but I didn't get his message so replied to a wrong email. I mentionned Permanent id because OSM anyway failed to implement it or didn't want to have it with sequential id. Best Regards, Victor On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 16:13, Tomas

Re: [OSM-talk] Distribution of OSM ids could be much more useful!

2018-11-25 Thread Victor Shcherb
Yes, I threw the idea slightly unprepared to create a discussion. May be it shouldn't be that revolutionary as using 30 bits for geo-location index but *16 bits *wouldn't change much. As I see, we are talking *density vs geo-index.* I understand, your point that most of (or some) software is

Re: [OSM-talk] Distribution of OSM ids could be much more useful!

2018-11-25 Thread Komяpa
If you agree that tile id is assigned only upon creation, then you don't have to remove the history for moved or existing nodes. Also, Google S2 gives much more standard globe locality index, if you need a look up table. You can try getting a pull request with the change through railsport and

Re: [OSM-talk] Distribution of OSM ids could be much more useful!

2018-11-25 Thread Tomas Straupis
Could you ealborate more on why you mention permanent id here? I see your idea, but do not understand how it is connected to permanent id problem. There were some tests done regarding permanent id in Lithuania, but those were regarding places of interest. If this has something in common, I could

Re: [OSM-talk] Distribution of OSM ids could be much more useful!

2018-11-25 Thread Paul Norman
On 2018-11-25 5:50 AM, Victor Shcherb wrote: What do you think? It would be terrible for most software that I am aware of that can process the full planet. Current assumptions about density would be broken, vastly inflating memory usage and slowing down processing. The benefits aren't

[OSM-talk] Distribution of OSM ids could be much more useful!

2018-11-25 Thread Victor Shcherb
Hi All, As we know OSM id for nodes exceeded long time ago 2^32 and keep growing on the other hand the ids itself are pretty useless because they don't represent history good enough and also they couldn't implement principle of Permanent ID (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Permanent_ID). I