Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Emilie Laffray wrote: While I am not a legal expert, I will try to answer that one. Companies can already make money from OpenStreetMap: there are plenty of examples around (Skobbler, Cloudmade, Geofabrik, etc). There is nothing preventing a company from using the data. However, they

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
(moving this thread to legal-talk) Valent: AFAIK with new Contributor Terms [1] all data entered into OSM can be taken by some company, closed and they could create a product made profit on it. Grant: No, they have to make the data available. The data is share-alike.

[OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Valent Turkovic
AFAIK with new Contributor Terms [1] all data entered into OSM can be taken by some company, closed and they could create a product made profit on it. Yes or no? Please just answer this for start. I have no problem with companies making a profit, just go ahead and do it. I have a problem

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 19.08.2010 12:07, Valent Turkovic wrote: AFAIK with new Contributor Terms [1] all data entered into OSM can be taken by some company, closed and they could create a product made profit on it. Yes or no? Please just answer this for start. I have no problem with companies making a profit,

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Grant Slater
On 19 August 2010 11:07, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK with new Contributor Terms [1] all data entered into OSM can be taken by some company, closed and they could create a product made profit on it. Yes or no? Please just answer this for start. No, they have to make

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 19 August 2010 11:07, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK with new Contributor Terms [1] all data entered into OSM can be taken by some company, closed and they could create a product made profit on it. Yes or no? Please just answer this for start. I have no problem

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Felix Hartmann extremecar...@googlemail.com wrote: It is true, (they just need to seperate it in two databases, which can be anyhting), I also think the new license because of this clause is utter rubbish and if it goes through there needs to be a fork. Is openfreemap.org still available?

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 19.08.2010 12:24, Grant Slater wrote: On 19 August 2010 11:07, Valent Turkovicvalent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK with new Contributor Terms [1] all data entered into OSM can be taken by some company, closed and they could create a product made profit on it. Yes or no? Please just

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Felix Hartmann extremecar...@googlemail.com wrote: [...] Nope, they don't have to. Only if they use it as one database. If they use it to publish maps, or create a product that afterwards uses two databases seperately, they don't have to publish their own data under Odbl. Yes, no licence

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, this discussion must move to legal-talk. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:29:55 +0200, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: With the actual licence it's exactly the same. Compagny can use OSM data and make profit (CCBYSA do not exclude commercial uses). I have no problem with companies taking OSM data and making a profit, I do have a problem if they

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Valent Turkovic wrote: I do have a problem if they take our data and close it I have written something about this on legal-talk. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Robert Kaiser
1) Please go to legal-talk for topics such as that. 2) Please don't refer to something as stealing where it's not a process of the previous owner unrightfully losing something and not having access to it any more. That might be misuse or whatever, but it's not stealing. Robert Kaiser

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Please don't refer to something as stealing where it's not a process of the previous owner unrightfully losing something and not having access to it any more. Unless it's stealing someone's idea, stealing a kiss, stealing

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 19 August 2010 12:07, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK with new Contributor Terms [1] all data entered into OSM can be taken by some company, closed and they could create a product made profit on it. How did you come to this conclusion? Cheers