Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-28 Thread James Livingston
On 27/08/2009, at 9:09 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'd say the only thing you know for sure is that the source is unknown unless it is explicitly tagged. I wouldn't assume anything besides that. There are people who don't upload their traces (i personally always do) and who have all rights

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: If someone doesn't upload their trace _and_ doesn't add a source tag, then I'll assume that my GPS trace is more accurate than whatever they used. I think that's fair, because all someone has to do if they have an accurate way is let other mappers

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-27 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com writes: could we simply extend source=survey with a year and source=landsat similarly? source=survey09 source=landsat_trace09 source=yahoo_trace08 That sounds like a good plan. you can easily get this information by looking at the

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-27 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi: Are history data very reliable to be used that way?  For example splitting a way for some technical reason does not necessarily mean that the whole way was surveyd again. As someone else already wrote, this information should be stored in

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
wynndale at lavabit.com writes: The new Bad data proposal is a scheme to mark traced aerial photography or maps as out of date or otherwise unreliable so that they can be obscured in editors and users don’t copy details into the OSM database reducing its accuracy.

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi wrote: Instead of calling it Bad data I would say it inaccurate or outdated data. Map data traced from Yahoo imagery is better than no data at all. But some common schema for tagging the quality of mapped features would be

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread Ondrej Novy
Hi, 2009/8/26 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Anything tagged source=yahoo* or source=landsat should be treated worst than source=survey and people should source the data properly otherwise others will assume the data was traced if hi-res imagery is available. are you sure? What about

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread Liz
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Ondrej Novy wrote: Anything tagged source=yahoo* or source=landsat should be treated worst than source=survey and people should source the data properly otherwise others will assume the data was traced if hi-res imagery is available. are you sure? What about really old

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Ondrej Novy n...@ondrej.org wrote: are you sure? What about really old survey and newest image from yahoo? :) It doesn't implied that yahoo is older then survey! New sat imagery isn't exactly new, Yahoo recently added hi-res imagery for an area near here, and the imagery

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: could we simply extend source=survey with a year and source=landsat similarly? source=survey09 source=landsat_trace09 source=yahoo_trace08 I'd seperate the information out into 2 key pairs: source=survey survey_date=20090826 or

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread James Livingston
On 26/08/2009, at 7:31 PM, Liz wrote: we've had a lot of trouble in Au because group X decided that unmarked was landsat and they would mark survey, and group Y decided that unmarked was survey and they would mark landsat I take the approach that unmarked is landsat, yahoo, or something

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread Someoneelse
Ondrej Novy wrote: 2009/8/26 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Anything tagged source=yahoo* or source=landsat should be treated worst than source=survey and people should source the data properly otherwise others will assume the data was traced if hi-res imagery is

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: --- On Wed, 26/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: could we simply extend source=survey with a year and source=landsat similarly? source=survey09 source=landsat_trace09 source=yahoo_trace08 I'd seperate the information out into 2 key pairs:

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: some places i have been over so many times (like the road to canberra, the roads to adelaide, and the road to work) that the actual date is meaningless, It's not meaningless, and if it changes just update the survey date. but

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread Ed Avis
Why tag survey date on every single object? Why not give survey date when uploading a changeset, and then the 'history' window displayed by most OSM editors could show it. That way it won't get out of date if someone else comes along and makes a change but omits to carefully update 'source' on

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread Liz
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Ed Avis wrote: Why tag survey date on every single object? Why not give survey date when uploading a changeset, and then the 'history' window displayed by most OSM editors could show it. That way it won't get out of date if someone else comes along and makes a change

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Why tag survey date on every single object?  Why not give survey date when uploading a changeset, and then the 'history' window displayed by most OSM editors could show it. So until editors update to include that info you could use the

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Le mercredi 26 août 2009 à 09:56, John Smith a écrit : Anything tagged source=yahoo* or source=landsat should be treated worst than source=survey and people should source the data properly otherwise others will assume the data was traced if hi-res imagery is available. What does survey mean?

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: What does survey mean? The page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source doesn't list that value. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/26 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 26/08/2009, at 7:31 PM, Liz wrote: we've had a lot of trouble in Au because group X decided that unmarked was landsat and they would mark survey, and group Y decided that unmarked was survey and they would mark landsat I take the approach that

[OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-24 Thread wynndale
The new Bad data proposal is a scheme to mark traced aerial photography or maps as out of date or otherwise unreliable so that they can be obscured in editors and users don’t copy details into the OSM database reducing its accuracy. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bad_data