Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-17 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Jean-Marc, Long time no see! Le mer. 13 mai 2020 à 17:08, Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit : > On 5/12/20 3:50 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > The role I expect of the data consumers is to articulate how they would > like to view the data (including what attributes they are expecting), and > not to dict

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-13 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 5/12/20 3:50 PM, Colin Smale wrote: The role I expect of the data consumers is to articulate how they would like to view the data (including what attributes they are expecting), and not to dictate how that data is stored/represented internally. Cartography, geography, statistics etc are very

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 12, 2020, 14:06 by frede...@remote.org: > Colin, > > you're lumping in a few different things together I think. > > The scarce resource in this project are still mappers, not consumers. > The mappers certainly want to make a good and usable map; but if you are > faced with a choice of eithe

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Yves
Given that, at this time, we are thousands... Le 12 mai 2020 15:50:17 GMT+02:00, "Sören Reinecke via talk" a écrit : >___ >talk mailing list >talk@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Mario Frasca
I wish to add some nuance to Frederik's opinion: On 12/05/2020 07:06, Frederik Ramm wrote: The scarce resource in this project are still mappers, not consumers. as far as my experience goes, in most places where I've been the scarce resource is people on the spot: __local__ mappers with acces

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-12 15:28, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > On 5/12/20 2:52 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> As you and many others frequently remind us: OSM is first and foremost about >> the data and not any specific use-case or rendering thereof. > Yes - but a data model is not a neutral representation of re

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Sören Reinecke via talk
Thanks for this. Shall we get all on one table; mappers, data analysts, data consumers, developers of and around OSM. This is what I longer proposed in some way. Can this dream now become true?CheerioSören Reinecke alias Valor NaramCloser to the daily preoccupations of Openstreetmap, even lists of

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 5/12/20 2:52 PM, Colin Smale wrote: As you and many others frequently remind us: OSM is first and foremost about the data and not any specific use-case or rendering thereof. Yes - but a data model is not a neutral representation of reality: it is a projection through a use-case, mapping reali

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-12 14:06, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Colin, > > you're lumping in a few different things together I think. > > The scarce resource in this project are still mappers, not consumers. > The mappers certainly want to make a good and usable map; but if you are > faced with a choice of either m

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Colin, you're lumping in a few different things together I think. The scarce resource in this project are still mappers, not consumers. The mappers certainly want to make a good and usable map; but if you are faced with a choice of either making mapping more difficult or making using more difficu

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-12 12:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > On 5/12/20 11:42 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >> I love the fact that we are now 50 messages into discussing, for the second >> time, a change that would be made ostensibly for the benefit of data >> consumers, and yet no one has asked any actual

[OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 5/12/20 11:42 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I love the fact that we are now 50 messages into discussing, for the second time, a change that would be made ostensibly for the benefit of data consumers, and yet no one has asked any actual data consumers. Yes. Users are the ultimate measure of qu