Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-16 Thread Dave F.
It would be great if you'd invite the transit guys to join in this discussion here. Dave F. On 16/10/2015 23:24, Richard Mann wrote: If someone wants to continue this discussion on the public transport list, feel free to start a discussion there. It's not appropriate for this list. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-16 Thread Richard Mann
If someone wants to continue this discussion on the public transport list, feel free to start a discussion there. It's not appropriate for this list. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-16 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi Paul, Am 2015-10-16 um 22:58 schrieb Paul Johnson: > Not even sure how passenger_lines=* is even a tag given route=rail > relations... As far as I know, passenger_lines=* is intended as an tracks=* replacement if each track is mapped. There is an ITO map which renders passenger_lines=*. There

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-16 Thread Paul Johnson
Not even sure how passenger_lines=* is even a tag given route=rail relations... On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Dave F. wrote: > I'm unsure of the difference between passenger_lines=* & tracks=*. > > Reading the wiki page, it appears the writer is confused as well, stating > in the last paragra

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-16 Thread Warin
A local railway corridor is having a third track added specifically to carry freight. It can also carry passengers but that would be an exception. It may have a 'lower-spec' for smoothness .. but in all other regards it has at least the same speck. There is some political pressure to encourage

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-16 Thread Richard Mann
Goods-only and empty-coaching-stock lines can be markedly lower-spec (such that they cannot be used by passenger-carrying services), and are effectively a subsidiary system. There aren't all that many examples left in the UK. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Dave F. wrote: > I'm unsure of the d

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-16 Thread Dave F.
I'm unsure of the difference between passenger_lines=* & tracks=*. Reading the wiki page, it appears the writer is confused as well, stating in the last paragraph, that the 'passenger' bit is redundant as "all kinds of tracks connecting the same railway stations or junction should be counted w

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-12 Thread Colin Smale
He has a new hobby - maxweight and maxheight on roads. Sounds harmless enough, but I am a bit concerned about things like tagging a way with traffic_sign=maxheight - not quite what is intended. Example changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34572136 //colin On 2015-10-12 12:14,

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-12 Thread Colin Smale
You forgot Switzerland, where they not only have multiple gauges but multiple supply systems, including 3-phase. On 2015-10-12 12:14, Maarten Deen wrote: > On 2015-10-12 12:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-10-12 11:09 GMT+02:00 > Colin Smale : > > about the sources of the other informat

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:09 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > > I noticed he has unblocked himself and is working again, but in the > new changeset I looked at yesterday "tracks=N" was no longer being added. > Still not sure about the sources of the other information (electrification > info, usage etc), m

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-12 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2015-10-12 12:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-10-12 11:09 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : about the sources of the other information (electrification info, usage etc), maybe it's inside info, maybe it's a guess, or maybe he is just widely-travelled. not sure about usage, but electrification ca

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-12 11:09 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : > about the sources of the other information (electrification info, usage > etc), maybe it's inside info, maybe it's a guess, or maybe he is just > widely-travelled. not sure about usage, but electrification can often be seen in aerial imagery (where hir

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-12 Thread Colin Smale
Same here, very similar message and very similar response I noticed he has unblocked himself and is working again, but in the new changeset I looked at yesterday "tracks=N" was no longer being added. Still not sure about the sources of the other information (electrification info, usage etc

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-12 Thread Maarten Deen
I have received a private message from the user: Hoi Maarten, Met het aantal tracks wordt aangegeven het aantal sporen die parallel aan elkaar liggen. Tracks=1 = Enkelspoor Tracks=2 = Dubbelspoor Tracks=3 = Driesporig Tracks=4 = Viersporig Mvgr, Wim Translated: The number of tracks i

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-10 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi Colin, Am 2015-10-10 um 14:07 schrieb Colin Smale: > Oh by the way, user WJtW is still at it, most recently in Italy, filling > in loads of detail tags on railways. No idea where the information comes > from. But every segment he touches has tracks=N added, often with N>1 on > routes already ma

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-10 Thread Colin Smale
Oh by the way, user WJtW is still at it, most recently in Italy, filling in loads of detail tags on railways. No idea where the information comes from. But every segment he touches has tracks=N added, often with N>1 on routes already mapped with individual tracks. @Michael Reichart, did you ge

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-10 Thread Colin Smale
Exactly, this is the core of the "complaint" about WJtW's work. However, tracks=* is an accepted shortcut, somewhere between a single way for the whole group and mapping individual tracks. Getting the individual tracks right, with all the points/switches, sidings, crossovers etc is a helluva j

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > > User WJtW[1] has been making large numbers of edits to railways across > Europe in the past few months, all with the changeset comment > "Electrified". Most of them are adding tags like gauge=1435 which may well > be right (although I have no

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-09 Thread Russ Nelson
Colin Smale writes: > It is not limited to tracks=2 by the way - I have seen examples of four > tracks, all with tracks=4... It could be worse: you could see three tracks, all with tracks=4. :-) -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Colin Smale
Thanks for contacting DWG, Michael. It is not limited to tracks=2 by the way - I have seen examples of four tracks, all with tracks=4... --colin On 2015-10-07 10:56, Michael Reichert wrote: > Hi. > > Am 2015-10-07 um 10:03 schrieb Colin Smale: > >> I am not sure it would be vandalism

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Colin Smale
What is "track_detail=yes"? I can't find it anywhere in the (English) wiki... //colin On 2015-10-07 11:11, Richard Mann wrote: > I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at > railway tagging for a while, though. > > ___

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Richard Mann
I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at railway tagging for a while, though. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi, Am 2015-10-07 um 10:24 schrieb Richard Mann: > Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks is also potentially > misleading. It's a method of tagging that's been superseded by drawing each > line separately. > > So I took to adding passenger_lines=N, to avoid a compatability conflict. I > on

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi. Am 2015-10-07 um 10:03 schrieb Colin Smale: > I am not sure it would be vandalism - It is more likely a > misunderstanding of the intention of the tracks=* tag. But it is very > damaging, and potentially hard to revert as this has been going on for > some time and newer edits may have been mad

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Richard Mann
Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks is also potentially misleading. It's a method of tagging that's been superseded by drawing each line separately. So I took to adding passenger_lines=N, to avoid a compatability conflict. I only did N=1 or N>=4, though. I'd suggest converting the taggin

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Colin Smale
I am not sure it would be vandalism - It is more likely a misunderstanding of the intention of the tracks=* tag. But it is very damaging, and potentially hard to revert as this has been going on for some time and newer edits may have been made. It may need something like this: * Get al

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Maarten Deen
I have asked WJtW about this in june this year but received no answer. Then I saw user BAGgeraar remove the tracks tag so I asked him about it and he too asked WJtW and received no answer. On the german forum there is a thread [1] about it also indicating it is a superfluous tag when all tracks

[OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

2015-10-07 Thread Colin Smale
Hi, User WJtW[1] has been making large numbers of edits to railways across Europe in the past few months, all with the changeset comment "Electrified". Most of them are adding tags like gauge=1435 which may well be right (although I have no idea of his source for this). However on many occasio