Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-08-11 Thread Martin Spott
"Martijn van Oosterhout" wrote: > So to me it seems the dataset is a catalyst for a huge about of > programming work. Basically, open-source GIS is waking up due to the > availability of the dataset You're intentionally provoking dissense here, don't you !? ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-08-03 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > >> For the last few months I've been wondering if OSM isn't more of a >> software project than a database. > > An interesting aspect. What I actually find interesting is that OSM as a project has subsequently lead to

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-08-02 Thread Christoph Eckert
Hi, > But that whole argument is a bit theoretical, I wouldn't talk like that > in public... the press will only quote the wrong parts ("Ramm: OSM > basically worthless!"). @talk *is* in public :) . Best regards, ce ___ talk mailing list talk@openstr

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-08-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > For the last few months I've been wondering if OSM isn't more of a > software project than a database. An interesting aspect. It is very likely that none of the data we collect now will still be used 20 years from now, because by then everything is so networked and fully automatic and we

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-08-02 Thread Nic Roets
For the last few months I've been wondering if OSM isn't more of a software project than a database. I know everyone is spending more time mapping than writing their software, but coding, testing and documenting high performance and / or cutting edge software commercially will cost a lot more per m

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-08-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
> So it may be that it sounds like a good idea to be a "data provider" and > that other people will provide the primary user-facing interface to your > data, but that in fact if you want it done well what you have to do is > go out there and do it yourself. :-) > > We're currently caught between th

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-08-01 Thread Gervase Markham
Frederik Ramm wrote: > 2. Commercially Valuable Product > > OSM is creating something of considerable commercial value. The > estimated market volume of geodata in Europe is way over one billion > Euros per year (I found varying figures, some even say it's 1.5 billion > for Germany alone, other

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-07-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lars Aronsson wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote about OSM vs. Wikipedia: > >> Wikipedia does not collect >> raw data, it collects/creates an end product. > > This description of Wikipedia is wrong. It's not, because... > It would be better for Wikipedia if more readers went to other > mirror websit

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-07-31 Thread Lars Aronsson
Frederik Ramm wrote about OSM vs. Wikipedia: > 3. Not an End Product > > Working with Wikipedia, what you see is what is there: You > always have the current version of some article in front of your > eyes, and you will usually access this product with your web > browser and, ultimately, your

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-07-29 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm wrote: | Hi, | | the similarities between OSM and Wikipedia are many, and easily | spotted. In fact, we owe a lot of our success to Wikipedia as a "trail | blazer" - if I tell someone "we're like a Wikipedia for maps", that | saves me

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-07-28 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On Jul 29, 2008, at 0:21 , Frederik Ramm wrote: > > I believe that some people are very quick to simply transfer "lessons > learned" from Wikipedia onto OSM, sometimes without properly taking > into > account that while there are similarities, there are also lots of > differences. There's ano

Re: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-07-28 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Sent: 28 July 2008 11:22 PM >To: Talk Openstreetmap >Subject: [OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia > >Hi, > >the similarities between OSM and Wikipedia are many, and easily >spotted. In fact, we owe a lot of our success to Wikipedia as

[OSM-talk] Why OpenStreetMap is not Wikipedia

2008-07-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, the similarities between OSM and Wikipedia are many, and easily spotted. In fact, we owe a lot of our success to Wikipedia as a "trail blazer" - if I tell someone "we're like a Wikipedia for maps", that saves me about 5 minutes explaining. However, there are also many conceptual differ