Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-28 Thread Ed Avis
Perhaps nobody ever writes NW as 'north-west', but I expect that nobody ever pronounces it as 'enn double-yew' either. Speech applications may require the name in pronounceable and unabbreviated form. So there is certainly a case for having that in the map. Whether it should be in the 'name' tag

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 28. März 2012 13:46 schrieb Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com: Perhaps nobody ever writes NW as 'north-west', but I expect that nobody ever pronounces it as 'enn double-yew' either.  Speech applications may require the name in pronounceable and unabbreviated form.  So there is certainly a case for

[OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Mikel Maron
Hi User chdr (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chdr) seems to be running a script to automatically replace street name abbreviations with the full word. so 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW becomes 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest. Which is not the way anyone ever writes street names here in DC.

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)
IMHO, here in the US we have the USPS which has published standardized street naming conventions specifically using the abbreviations. It would seem to me that these official street names are what should stick and the expansions of them should not be happening. Not to mention how much more

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 23/03/2012 13:47, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote: On 3/23/2012 8:36 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: User chdr (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chdr) seems to be running a script to automatically replace street name abbreviations with the full word. so 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW becomes 1600

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: On 23/03/2012 13:47, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote: On 3/23/2012 8:36 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: User chdr (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chdr) seems to be running a script to automatically replace street name

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)
On 3/23/2012 9:04 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 23/03/2012 13:47, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote: On 3/23/2012 8:36 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: User chdr (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chdr) seems to be running a script to automatically replace street name abbreviations with the full word.

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
On 23/03/12 21:04, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 23/03/2012 13:47, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote: On 3/23/2012 8:36 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: User chdr (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chdr) seems to be running a script to automatically replace street name abbreviations with the full word. so

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Mike N
On 3/23/2012 8:36 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: User chdr (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chdr) seems to be running a script to automatically replace street name abbreviations with the full word. They don't look like mass automated edits to me - these are smaller quantities of changes made via

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Guillaume Rischard
Tagging with abbreviated names is tagging for the renderer. The database should be as unambiguous as possible, and the renderer should apply local abbreviation conventions. This is not the way anyone ever writes street names here in DC, you say. But it's the way people in DC pronounce it,

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: I'm new to this problem, but those possible strategies spring to my mind: - Record only the abbreviated name and let the user expand it using his favourite rules if he wants. - Record only the canonical expanded name and let the user abbreviate it using his favourite

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Tom Hughes
On 23/03/12 12:36, Mikel Maron wrote: User chdr (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chdr) seems to be running a script to automatically replace street name abbreviations with the full word. so 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW becomes 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest. Which is not the way anyone ever

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)
On 3/23/2012 9:40 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 23/03/12 12:36, Mikel Maron wrote: User chdr (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chdr) seems to be running a script to automatically replace street name abbreviations with the full word. so 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW becomes 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Steve Doerr
On 23/03/2012 13:14, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote: USPS: 521 Waterman Ln SE Full: 521 Waterman Lane SouthEast But I've never, ever written it in the full form and even the city-supplied street sign shows Waterman Ln. I just looked up a couple of US cities in a (US) encyclopaedia I

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread AJ Ashton
When I'm editing and area with abbreviated names (usually untouched TIGER) I will manually expand them because I agree with the OSM wiki's take on things [0]. For most (all?) uses other than rendering text on maps, the full expansion makes more sense than the abbreviation. Granted, I would rarely

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Kay Drangmeister
Lynn wrote: my address is: USPS: 521 Waterman Ln SE Full: 521 Waterman Lane SouthEast But I've never, ever written it in the full form and even the city-supplied street sign shows Waterman Ln. http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GBword1=%22waterman+ln%22word2=%22waterman+lane%22

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi User chdr (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chdr) seems to be running a script to automatically replace street name abbreviations with the full word. so 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW becomes 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)
On 3/23/2012 11:00 AM, Kay Drangmeister wrote: Lynn wrote: my address is: USPS: 521 Waterman Ln SE Full: 521 Waterman Lane SouthEast But I've never, ever written it in the full form and even the city-supplied street sign shows Waterman Ln.

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Paul Norman
-Original Message- From: AJ Ashton [mailto:aj.ash...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?! Its much easier for tools to automatically abbreviate words than the other way around. (We've done automatic abbreviations for the latest MapBox map [1].) I

Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

2012-03-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: User chdr (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chdr) seems to be running a script to automatically replace street name abbreviations with the full word. so 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW becomes 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue