Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated

2020-02-06 Thread Mario Frasca
oops, Aaron, I'm afraid I was not clear in at least one of my statements.  so sorry. On 06/02/2020 15:42, Aaron Young wrote: but also checks with the local community, if there is any, what special agreements rule in the local community.  for Panamá, I would like to have such activities listed

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated

2020-02-06 Thread Aaron Young
digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: it's not a fake, but "it's complicated" (Mario Frasca) > 2. Re: Crimea situation - on the ground (Imre Samu) > 3. Old maps from Royal Collection UK (Andy Mabbett) > > > -------

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-06 Thread Mario Frasca
Hi Aaron, thank you for your writing! On 05/02/2020 23:50, Aaron Young wrote: in this instance we slipped up and didn’t communicate well enough. We are working to improve that now both in Panama and elsewhere I had a pleasant chat yesterday with Jorge Aguirre, and he insisted in

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread Aaron Young
edits made by > Kaart", in the meanwhile, not having seen any activity from them, and > since they're now editing an other aspect, again without consulting with > the local community, I moved to adding a 'fixme' tag to their most > obvious mistakes. > > > > > ---

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk
someone in charge, someone that can   come in, takeover, un till then OSM is fake news.   From: Mario Frasca Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:45 AM To: OSM Talk Subject: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"     hi all, I sort of moved to Panama.  I am trying to find loc

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated" - fake building for several shops inside one building

2020-02-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
5 Feb 2020, 21:06 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > Hello, > >> I've now moved to tagging as many of them them as 'fixme' >> > > nice to highlight the issue. > but why not fixing it ? > In case of systematic mass edit, (especially by paid mappers) it may take unreasonable effort to fix it. And

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated" - fake building for several shops inside one building

2020-02-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/02/2020 20:06, marc marc wrote: nice to highlight the issue. but why not fixing it ? part of the reason for that was described a decade ago by Andy Allan: https://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/2009/11/10/the-pottery-club/ That was talking about imports, but "poor commercial mapping in the

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated" - fake building for several shops inside one building

2020-02-05 Thread Dave F via talk
On 05/02/2020 20:06, marc marc wrote: Hello, I've now moved to tagging as many of them them as 'fixme' nice to highlight the issue. but why not fixing it ? As stated previously, it's not the responsibility of the person spotting errors to fix it, especially if it's been performed

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated" - fake building for several shops inside one building

2020-02-05 Thread marc marc
Hello, > I've now moved to tagging as many of them them as 'fixme' nice to highlight the issue. but why not fixing it ? remove the building tag for every fake building object, add the building on the whole outer back. josm contourmerge pluging can do that easily. or, of course, contact DWG if

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread Mario Frasca
On 05/02/2020 12:15, Dave F via talk wrote: Who & how did you contact them? If a Public forum, could you post a link? if email, could you copy paste exactly the replies to you? not a public forum, I wrote to VigotheCarpatian as an openstreetmap message, here's some of it: myself, on

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/02/2020 17:15, Dave F via talk wrote: On 05/02/2020 15:45, Mario Frasca wrote: hi all,  I am in no position to take care of the amount of instances of this practice, and fix them You shouldn't be expected to. Contributors who make errors should fix them. Agreed.  I've forwarded

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread Mario Frasca
On 05/02/2020 11:53, Andy Townsend wrote: it can sometimes be difficult to decide where one building ends and the next starts sometimes, sometimes it's clear.  sometimes you walk in the area, you see the façade and you wonder how they can know the name of the shop and not have seen it's

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread Dave F via talk
On 05/02/2020 15:45, Mario Frasca wrote: hi all,  I am in no position to take care of the amount of instances of this practice, and fix them You shouldn't be expected to. Contributors who make errors should fix them. I've signalled it to their editors, or to their leaders, but apparently

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread Mario Frasca
good day Andy On 05/02/2020 11:53, Andy Townsend wrote: I also don't think that's a typical reaction from paid mappers generally (apart from spammers of course), can you help me understanding the following statement otherwise than "too late"? Hi Mario, thank you for all the information and

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
Feb 5, 2020, 16:45 by ma...@anche.no: > something done by Kaart editors: > > Are they organized mappers? Are they paid mappers? > splitting a building into as many slices as the amount of commercial > activities within the building > Sound blatantly incorrect to me. You can map shop as

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/02/2020 15:45, Mario Frasca wrote: ... but apparently when an activity is closed, it's too late to ask them to review. I don't think that that's a reasonable approach for any OSM mapper to take (whether they're working for a company or not).  I also don't think that's a typical

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread Mario Frasca
this is what I'm talking about: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Qqh one more things that make this situation even more complicated, is that many of these ways have shop:yes, which sounds like "I'm too lazy to investigate the details, please someone does it for me", which I did in one shopping

[OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

2020-02-05 Thread Mario Frasca
hi all, I sort of moved to Panama.  I am trying to find local mappers wanting to discuss issues, help take decisions, document decisions, and validate data.  it's been a hard task, and it's not the only hard task here in Panama: time and again I find tons of mistakes added by people who,