Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

Am 10. Mai 2018 18:58:04 MESZ schrieb Oleksiy Muzalyev : >On 5/10/2018 5:43 PM, Jo wrote: ... > >Indeed, Swiss German pronunciation differs from the Standard German >significantly, but it is written practically the same as the Standard >German. Just to add a bit

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

On 5/10/2018 5:43 PM, Jo wrote: Marc, I probably shouldn't have mentioned Switzerland. I thought it was "nicely" divided into clear language regions, but apparently not. My only experience with it was that in the part neighboring Germany they spoke something that resembled German somewhat,

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

Marc, I probably shouldn't have mentioned Switzerland. I thought it was "nicely" divided into clear language regions, but apparently not. My only experience with it was that in the part neighboring Germany they spoke something that resembled German somewhat, but once we passed the Sankth-Gottard

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Marc, Oleksiy, thanks for your insights! And Marc, I agree that it should always be up to the local community to decide. The only thing I ask is to please keep in mind that the "default_language" is simply a reflection of what local OSM editors have already used for the name tag in the majority

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This was exactly my point. That it is a sensitive topic. And it may be unclear to people who live in a national state with a single official language. That is why I provided the texts of articles, to illustrate that there is a multi-language historical equilibrium reflected it the official

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Don't you think that Belgians like Jo and the rest of the Belgian community know best what the default language is in a certain area ? This can be a pretty sensitive topic, which is not always easy to understand by outsiders. So please let the Belgian community decide the default language without

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

Am 09.05.2018 um 07:46 schrieb Jo: > > > I expect the same goes for Switzerland (whole country 3-4 official > languages, but at the next geographic level it is clear which language > is spoken/official for which region). > This not correct, while there are regions (as this is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

On 09.05.18 07:46, Jo wrote: The whole country has 3 official languages. In the north nl is the official language, in the south fr. And a small area in the east is de. Brussels is officially bilingual. Hence all names there will be a combination of fr - nl. Normally I would expect Belgium to

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

sent from a phone > On 10. May 2018, at 01:34, Jo wrote: > > Where problems actually do occur is in streets which have a different name on > both sides (only in Belgium, I guess. It happens on streets that form the > border between two 'villages'). Anyway, then the name

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Jo, thx, so if these kinds of objects already have "name:xx" for all mentioned languages, international map would use those instead of the name tag anyway, so that's not an issue. BTW, international maps have launched on Wikipedias!

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

Where problems actually do occur is in streets which have a different name on both sides (only in Belgium, I guess. It happens on streets that form the border between two 'villages'). Anyway, then the name tag can contain up to 4 variants. The separator is ' - ' on purpose, to distinguish it from

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Martin, how can we evaluate the extent of this, to see how serious this may be? BTW, I totally agree that doing a guessing game based on "nl - fr" to parse the name is much worse than simply picking "name:nl" or "name:fr" when they are available. names with multiple languages are not very helpful

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sent from a phone > On 10. May 2018, at 00:47, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > In the few rare cases when it does happen, it would be enough to also add > "name:fr" and "name:nl" tags to fix the issue -- localization would take the > specific language, and won't even try

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Jo, thx. I just looked at all names inside relation 54094 (Brussels-Capital) - 12.691 names without the " - ", and 22,655 with them, so makes perfect sense, thanks! I think it doesn't really matter if default_language is set for the whole Belgium to any specific language, or left undefined,

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Martin, in the "fr - nl" value, the "" separator is what is being used in the name tag itself. I don't think it is very common to have all three characters in the name, other than to split multiple languages. In the few rare cases when it does happen, it would be enough to also add "name:fr" and

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sent from a phone > On 9. May 2018, at 02:37, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > or to two languages that match "Bruxelles - Brussel" ("fr - nl" ?). The hyphen/dash is not a good choice for separating multiple languages because it occasionally occurs in names, e.g.

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

The whole country has 3 official languages. In the north nl is the official language, in the south fr. And a small area in the east is de. Brussels is officially bilingual. Hence all names there will be a combination of fr - nl. Normally I would expect Belgium to not have default_language set.

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Polyglot, thanks! I just ran the list of names for Belgium - http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yEj (takes a few minutes and 20MB download). It seems that most of the names are single language. Even cities tend to be a single language strings, with a few exceptions (e.g. Brussels itself, and the

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Since there is not 1 language for Belgium and nl;fr;de is not allowed, it won't be possible to set this tag for Belgium. I did set it on the regions/communities. Polyglot 2018-05-08 22:31 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan : > Daniel, I agree - it seems most of the low-zoom

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

Daniel, I agree - it seems most of the low-zoom Moroccan names are in a triple-form, and many local names are in a wild mix of french only and multi-lingual ones: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yE5 (thx trigpoint & FredrikLindseth on IRC!) Do you want to change it, or should I? Also, there are

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

W dniu 08.05.2018 o 21:31, Yuri Astrakhan pisze: > This query shows a list of regions that have the new default_language > tag (you can multisort column with shift or control clicking the > headers).  http://tinyurl.com/yd6bx6s3 What about places like Morocco? Shouldn't it be rather similar to

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

Thanks to many people who have helped with this effort! This query shows a list of regions that have the new default_language tag (you can multisort column with shift or control clicking the headers). http://tinyurl.com/yd6bx6s3 This query has also been added to the key:default_language wiki