On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 03:03:53PM +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
> On 17 July 2011 23:55, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
> > I recently stumbled upon some empty route relations, so I had a
> > closer look at the OSM planet and found that there are about
> > 10.000 orphaned relations in the database and
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:01:24 +0200, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:28:54PM +0100, MP wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:05:29 +0100, Ed Loach wrote:
Relations
without
members can be used intentionally,
Can you give an example, please? Because I've tried and failed to
think of any
On 19-07-2011 16:42, Renaud MICHEL wrote:
On mardi 19 juillet 2011 at 00:54, Jorge Gustavo wrote :
I remove "my" orphaned relations, using JOSM.
1) wget
http://jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/relation[boundary=administrat
ive][@uid=193530] -O old_relation_boundary_jgr.osm
2) JOSM -> Open
On Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:42:06 AM UTC-5, Renaud MICHEL wrote:
>
> On mardi 19 juillet 2011 at 00:54, Jorge Gustavo wrote :
> > I remove "my" orphaned relations, using JOSM.
> > 1) wget
> >
> http://jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/relation[boundary=administrat
> > ive][@uid=193530] -O ol
On mardi 19 juillet 2011 at 00:54, Jorge Gustavo wrote :
> I remove "my" orphaned relations, using JOSM.
> 1) wget
> http://jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/relation[boundary=administrat
> ive][@uid=193530] -O old_relation_boundary_jgr.osm
> 2) JOSM -> Open -> old_relation_boundary_jgr.osm
N
Hi,
On 17 July 2011 23:55, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
> I recently stumbled upon some empty route relations, so I had a
> closer look at the OSM planet and found that there are about
> 10.000 orphaned relations in the database and the number is growing.
>
> With orphaned I mean relations that have no
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:28:54PM +0100, MP wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:05:29 +0100, Ed Loach wrote:
>>> Relations
>>> without
>>> members can be used intentionally,
>>
>> Can you give an example, please? Because I've tried and failed to
>> think of any. Perhaps I'm just getting hung up on the
Hi Sarah, hi all,
Thanks for pointing out the problem. In my case, there were orphaned
relations without any use at all. They simply were not removed after
cleaning some administrative boundaries and I didn't noticed.
I remove "my" orphaned relations, using JOSM.
1) wget
http://jxapi.openstr
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:05:29 +0100, Ed Loach wrote:
Relations
without
members can be used intentionally,
Can you give an example, please? Because I've tried and failed to
think of any. Perhaps I'm just getting hung up on the name "relation"
as something which groups its related members in some
On 18 July 2011 23:15, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> I'd be tempted to delete them all if they're older than 3 months or so. Some
> of you said that it might have been something valuable accidentally deleted,
> but if nobody noticed that within 3 months then it cannot have been *so*
> valuable. (And if i
Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
Wouldn't it be much easier to silently delete all empty relations
when uploading the data? From a user point of view the result should
be the same and you don't have to mess around with undo.
It would certainly be easier, but I don't believe it's the Right Way To
Do It. C
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 03:59:23AM -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
> > I don't know about forbitting orphaned relations but it
> > would certainly be helpful if the editors would show a big
> > red warning sign if somebody tries to upload an empty
> > relation.
>
> No. T
Hi NE2,
On Montag, 18. Juli 2011, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
> > With orphaned I mean relations that have no members and are not
> > member of any other relation. Some are completely empty but most
> > still have some tags. I have created a list of the relations sorted
> > by
Hi Sarah,
On Sonntag, 17. Juli 2011, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
> I recently stumbled upon some empty route relations, so I had a
> closer look at the OSM planet and found that there are about
> 10.000 orphaned relations in the database and the number is growing.
>
> With orphaned I mean relations tha
> Relations
> without
> members can be used intentionally,
Can you give an example, please? Because I've tried and failed to think of any.
Perhaps I'm just getting hung up on the name "relation" as something which
groups its related members in some way defined by the relation's tags (while
not
Josh Doe wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:51 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
> mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> you could have empty relations (no own members) with tags on them that
> are themselves member of another relation and therefore
> usefull/intended without their own memb
Sarah Hoffmann writes:
> Question remains what to do with the existing orphaned relations.
> Is there any legimate use for them or would it be save to simply
> delete them all?
Since the only way to access them would be directly, as relations, it
seems unlikely that they would ever be used agai
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:51 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2011/7/18 Richard Fairhurst :
> > If you really care about empty relations, you are welcome to submit a
> patch
> > to P2 that automatically deletes relations when they're set to 0 members
> > (and undeletes them if you undo that actio
2011/7/18 Richard Fairhurst :
> If you really care about empty relations, you are welcome to submit a patch
> to P2 that automatically deletes relations when they're set to 0 members
> (and undeletes them if you undo that action), of course!
you could have empty relations (no own members) with ta
Found it (on the third attempt - it was accessed via that tiny down
arrow button).
Could it be somewhere on the Edit Relation dialog too, please, since
that's where you'll be once you've loaded it...
Richard
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Richard Fairhurst
wrote:
> Richard Mann wrote:
>> Now
Hi,
On 07/18/11 12:05, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
I would ask the last editors to verify them, and let them delete those
in the case they are not needed. I suspect that some of these
relations actually were emptied without the mapper wanting it, so
there might be cases where relation should be r
Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
> I don't know about forbitting orphaned relations but it
> would certainly be helpful if the editors would show a big
> red warning sign if somebody tries to upload an empty
> relation.
No. That would be entirely disproportionate. Empty relations don't do anyone
any harm.
Richard Mann wrote:
> Now there was me thinking it was just a Potlatch problem. I'll
> delete my 5 as soon as P2 has the facility (and I can find it).
You can delete a relation in P2 by selecting it in the Advanced view (which
means you'll have to have selected a member of that relation, of cours
2011/7/17 Sarah Hoffmann :
> Question remains what to do with the existing orphaned relations.
> Is there any legimate use for them or would it be save to simply
> delete them all?
I would ask the last editors to verify them, and let them delete those
in the case they are not needed. I suspect th
It's possible that some relations were unintentionally emptied of
their members. In some editors, that would make these relations then
invisible. For some of these relations, someone would have noticed
something missing and then recreated the relation. For others, the
emptying might need to be reve
Now there was me thinking it was just a Potlatch problem. I'll delete
my 5 as soon as P2 has the facility (and I can find it).
If someone wants to delete all of them that haven't been touched for
(say) three months, I don't think there'd be any objections.
Richard
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Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
>
> With orphaned I mean relations that have no members and are not
> member of any other relation. Some are completely empty but most
> still have some tags. I have created a list of the relations sorted
> by last editing user here:
>
> http://osm.lonvia.de/stuff/orphan
Sarah wrote:
> I have created a list of the relations sorted
> by last editing user here:
>
> http://osm.lonvia.de/stuff/orphans.html
> Question remains what to do with the existing orphaned relations.
> Is there any legimate use for them or would it be save to simply
> delete them all?
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