Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-07 Thread Lists
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 7 September 2014 11:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Generally we don't tag ownership but only access rights What about operator= ? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://li

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 07/set/2014, alle ore 09:11, Bryce Nesbitt > ha scritto: > > How do I use and tag private roads? > I don't really bother. > > If a road is open for travel I don't care much if it's private. > If a road has a gate, then, um, at least in most cases it's off limits. > > > The gate

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-07 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
How do I use and tag private roads? I don't really bother. If a road is open for travel I don't care much if it's private. If a road has a gate, then, um, at least in most cases it's off limits. The gate is a better signal for routing compared to private/public. There are too may private roads t

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-06 Thread Russ Nelson
Paul Johnson writes: > On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM, john whelan wrote: > > > In the UK there are rights of way which date back in time to the days of > > pack horses and long distance footpaths. I don't think you have the > > equivalent in North America. > > Let me introduce you to th

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM, john whelan wrote: > In the UK there are rights of way which date back in time to the days of > pack horses and long distance footpaths. I don't think you have the > equivalent in North America. Let me introduce you to the four westernmost timezones out of the f

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-10 Thread Matthijs Melissen
access=yes, skateboard=no, bicycle=careful? :) -- Matthijs On 10 August 2014 16:33, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Hi Matthijs, > > Spotted the following sign related to your "tagging of private roads" > discussion the other day. Enjoy :-) > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6J5ZA1hu93beGxtSTVGeUR2aFR

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-10 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Matthijs, Spotted the following sign related to your "tagging of private roads" discussion the other day. Enjoy :-) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6J5ZA1hu93beGxtSTVGeUR2aFRqQzdaYXNGR0d6WlBhQXFr/edit?usp=sharing Rob ___ talk mailing list talk@ope

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-04 Thread Pierre Riteau
These are generally called permissive paths. On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, at 02:55 AM, john whelan wrote: Whilst I think of it there are some footpaths and roads in the UK which are open to the public on 364 days a year but closed one day a year to prevent them from becoming a public right of way. Chee

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Kevin Broderick
It varies by jurisdiction within the U.S., too; Vermont has an "Ancient Roads" doctrine that has kept many right-of-ways legally open despite towns no longer maintaining them. It gets a bit more complicated in that some of them are posted contrary to their legal status, and the only way to definiti

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread john whelan
Whilst I think of it there are some footpaths and roads in the UK which are open to the public on 364 days a year but closed one day a year to prevent them from becoming a public right of way. Cheerio John On 3 August 2014 21:47, john whelan wrote: > In the UK there are rights of way which dat

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread john whelan
In the UK there are rights of way which date back in time to the days of pack horses and long distance footpaths. I don't think you have the equivalent in North America. So in the UK a right of way may still follow a privately maintained road. It's probably better to leave the tagging of this to

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread John F. Eldredge
In the USA, it depends upon whether the property owner has given permission for public use. If a private road through an apartment complex is signed as "residents and guests only", for example, an outsider driving through can be charged with trespassing. On August 3, 2014 6:50:55 AM CDT, Coli

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/08/14 17:02, Tom Hughes wrote: See, for example: http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/atoz/a_to_z/service.asp?u_id=1065&tab=3&siteid=5409&pageid=29027&e=e http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn00402.pdf is also informative. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/08/14 15:49, Colin Smale wrote: As this discussion is about UK specifics, I thought it would be a good plan to reach out to the talk-GB list. The only things I would say you can commonly assume from such signs are that the road is unadopted, and that the residents/owners would like you

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Colin Smale
As this discussion is about UK specifics, I thought it would be a good plan to reach out to the talk-GB list. --colin On 2014-08-03 16:44, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2014-08-03 16:24, Craig Wallace wrote: > On 2014-08-03 11:00, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Residential roads in the UK > often see

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Colin Smale
On 2014-08-03 16:24, Craig Wallace wrote: On 2014-08-03 11:00, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private road' signs, such as: - 'Private road' - 'Private road no parking' - 'Private road no parking no turning' - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking o

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Craig Wallace
On 2014-08-03 11:00, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private road' signs, such as: - 'Private road' - 'Private road no parking' - 'Private road no parking no turning' - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking or turning' How do people tag these roads? Fo

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads (Matthijs Melissen)

2014-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 03/ago/2014, alle ore 12:18, Volker Schmidt ha > scritto: > > I would tag them all with access=destination, unless there are additional > signs that forbid entering. > A "private road" is privately owned and maintained, but you normally may use > it to reach the properties facing

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Colin Smale
It depends whether a right of way exists. Things are rather complicated in the UK. Private means private, so no entry by default. If you are visiting an address on a private road, you have presumably been invited, explicitly or implicitly. An unofficial sign "residents only" might not have any f

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 August 2014 11:18, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private road' signs, such >> as: >> >> - 'Private road' >> - 'Private road no parking' >> - 'Private road no parking no turning' >> - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking or turning' >> >> How do pe

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads (Matthijs Melissen)

2014-08-03 Thread Volker Schmidt
> Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private road' signs, such > as: > > - 'Private road' > - 'Private road no parking' > - 'Private road no parking no turning' > - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking or turning' > > How do people tag these roads? For which of these would you use >