[talk-au] DTP Data Wavier Submitted

[Robert Potter via Talk-au]

Hi OSM-AU,

It is with great pleasure and personal satisfaction that I can today announce 
that an appropriately appointed officer has signed the CC BY 4.0 wavier for DTP 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Victoria,_Australia.

This means any information made public via the Victorian Government OpenData 
platform by the Department of Transport and Planning is able to be used in 
OpenStreetMap, including and most requested has been the GTFS supply.


Regards,



Robert Potter

Department of Transport and Planning (Victoria, Australia) - OpenStreetMap 
Wiki

W dtp.vic.gov.au

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Re: [OSM-talk] proposed bot edit for surface=granite, surface=marble and similar

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Mi., 15. März 2023 um 14:01 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk <
talk@openstreetmap.org>:

>
>
>
> Mar 15, 2023, 10:21 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
>
> I'd prefer "surface:material" compared to "material", it is in modest use
> (800) https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surface%3Amaterial
> because the "highway" represents not just the surface.
>
> material represents primary material of object and surface of
> road/path/square
> seems to fit here well.
>
> What would be benefit for surface:material over material anyway?
> Which other tags would be added that are infeasible with material?
>


not sure, maybe bridge? currently there are 10622 instances of material and
surface on the same object, the combination or surface with
surface:material (or surface.material or surface_material) is used 2200
times.
 https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surface#combinations



If someone really wants they can add surface:curb:left=granite
>


this is where I think it could be subtagged,
material=stone  (180.000 uses)
stone=granite/sandstone/andesite/limestone/marble (minor organic use)
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/stone

surface is not just about a material (as is granite), it is about the kind
of shape/pieces, unhewn_cobblestone, paving_stones, compacted, grass_paver,
cobblestone, etc.
There are lots of different stones in the world, even more if you look at
the specific subtype, IMHO these should not be used as individual values in
the first order ("material")
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Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate Buildings

[Pierre Béland via talk]

From the OSM-id list of Frederik, it is possible to query with Overpass. For 
the following list:

id1,id2,id3,id4
-15538065,-15538064,-15538063,1137657546

I isolate negative values and query as relation, others as way.

[out:xml][date:'2023-03-05T00:00:00Z'];
(
  way(id: 1137657546  
 );
  relation(id: 
15538065, 15538064, 15538063
 );
);
out meta;
>; out meta;

Pierre

Envoyé avec la messagerie sécurisée Proton Mail.

--- Original Message ---
Le mercredi 15 mars 2023 à 07:11, Marc_marc  a écrit :

 
> 
> in fact I was thinking about the overpass turbo query :)
> to test it in my area
> 
> > the 4 dates of edit.
> 
> 

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Re: [OSM-talk] proposed bot edit for surface=granite, surface=marble and similar

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Mar 15, 2023, 10:21 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:

> I'd prefer "surface:material" compared to "material", it is in modest use 
> (800) > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surface%3Amaterial
> because the "highway" represents not just the surface.
>
material represents primary material of object and surface of road/path/square
seems to fit here well.

What would be benefit for surface:material over material anyway?
Which other tags would be added that are infeasible with material?
If someone really wants they can add surface:curb:left=granite 
and surface:cycleway:left:curb:right=concrete anyway to
highway=residential material=granite (not advocating or advising mapping curb 
material here).

>
> Generally, maybe another subtagging step like "surface:material=stone" 
> "stone=granite" could make sense? It could also be used for material and 
> similar tags:
> material=stone and stone=granite
>
not really planning to invent such tagging, I just want to solve problem
of material tags squatting surface key without loss of what someone mapped.
But I do not plan to spend time on inventing elaborate tagging schemes
for something that I am not mapping, not using and not planning either.

Especially as entire use of surface:material and stone=* is much smaller
than what will[1] be retagged by even this tiny bot edit.

[1]Unless people will protest against it and there will be no consensus to run 
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[Talk-cat] TomTom - Nou Desafiament Vials Aillats

[Salim Baidoun]

Hola de nou Communitat en català d'OpenStreetMap !



Esperem que totes i tots estigueu bé.

Amb la finalitat de contribuir a millorar el mapa de OSM en aquesta ocasió us 
escrivim des de TomTom per a informar-vos que hem creat un nou desafiament en 
MapRoulette per a connectar vials aïllats que hem detectat en diferents 
localitzacions de la geografia espanyola.

Esperem que aquest desafiament sigui del vostre interès , podeu accedir-hi des 
del següent link, on també trobareu la descripció i més detalls sobre l'edició 
que us ajudaran a resoldre els errors detectats:

España – Conectar Viales Aislados | Spain - Connect Isolated 
Highways



No dubteu a posar-vos en contacte amb nosaltres si trobeu qualsevol problema o 
dificultat. Si voleu compartir-los amb nosaltres estarem encantats de poder 
ajudar.



una salutació i ¡feliç edició!


Salim A. Baidoun / Community & Partnerships - Global / Community Engagement


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Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate Buildings

[Marc_marc]

Le 14.03.23 à 21:35, Pierre Béland a écrit :

Hi Marc,

I created a csv file available on wetranser for 7 days. 


in fact I was thinking about the overpass turbo query :)
to test it in my area


the 4 dates of edit.


a fast lookup show a lot of similar timestamp
but also some very old object... a pitty that nobody detect
this issue (some timestamp in 2013)





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Re: [OSM-talk] proposed bot edit for surface=granite, surface=marble and similar

[Marc_marc]

Le 15.03.23 à 10:21, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :
I'd prefer "surface:material" compared to "material", it is in modest 
use (800) https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surface%3Amaterial 


because the "highway" represents not just the surface.


I think this needs discussion on tagging
short version: although I agree that those values are bad ("marble"
isn't linked to a quality, some are grooved and others smooth which is 
catastrophic in rainy weather), several other values (e.g. asphalt, 
concrete) describe the material used for the surface layer with the same 
problem.


If we want to be coherent, we should at least create values for 
"concrete:lanes", "concrete:plate" and "block" and think about

what's the goal of the surface tag



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [édition mécanique] sidewalk=none -> sidewalk=no en France

[Marc_marc]

Bonjour,

Le 15.03.23 à 09:56, Volker Schmidt a écrit :

C'est un tag fréquent: taginfo 200k
Pourquoi l'éliminer en France ?


parce qu'il est déprécié, incohérent
et que la valeur cohérente "no" (974k)
est 5x plus courante.

il n'y avait que StreetComplete qui avait
un preset et cela a été corrigé en 2021
pour faire comme les autres éditeurs
https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/3194/commits/32e9531c40da13fdc82156d3b5d77e3edbd39bfd

migrer les tags dépréciés en un seul schéma
cohérent rend les données plus facile tant
pour la contribution que pour l'utilisation

Je proposerai dans quelques temps la même chose
au niveau mondial, mais on a l'habitude d'avancer
plus vite ici, car c'est parfois lent au niveau mondial

Cordialement,
Marc



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Re: [OSM-talk] proposed bot edit for surface=granite, surface=marble and similar

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

I'd prefer "surface:material" compared to "material", it is in modest use
(800) https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surface%3Amaterial
because the "highway" represents not just the surface.

Generally, maybe another subtagging step like "surface:material=stone"
"stone=granite" could make sense? It could also be used for material and
similar tags:
material=stone and stone=granite

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/material=stone (180.000)
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/stone (173 uses, of the kind we are
looking for)
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/stone_type (false friend, this is
about specific stone types (shapes and purposes) rather than material)

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/roof%3Amaterial=stone
...
Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [édition mécanique] sidewalk=none -> sidewalk=no en France

[Volker Schmidt]

C'est un tag fréquent: taginfo 200k
Pourquoi l'éliminer en France ?

On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, 07:55 Cyrille37 OSM, 
wrote:

> Bonjour,
>
> On 15/03/2023 01:29, Marc_marc wrote:
> > je propose l'édition de masse suivante :
> > remplacement de sidewalk=none par sidewalk=no
> > sur les objets way ayant un tag highway
> > en France
> > ...
> >
> > Avis ?
>
> Positif. Let's go :-)
>
> Cyrille37.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [édition mécanique] sidewalk=none -> sidewalk=no en France

[Cyrille37 OSM]

Bonjour,

On 15/03/2023 01:29, Marc_marc wrote:

je propose l'édition de masse suivante :
remplacement de sidewalk=none par sidewalk=no
sur les objets way ayant un tag highway
en France
...

Avis ?


Positif. Let's go :-)

Cyrille37.
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